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Glass Imitating Silhoutte Agate

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« on: November 30, 2013, 04:24:41 am »

Found this one in Germany, and is my first glass imitating silhouette agate. Thought I was going to have to part with it, but turns out it will be a keeper !  Smiley

2 3/4" without stopper..

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 04:33:22 am »

George,

A very good imitation of agate indeed. Great that you decided to keep it. You may not find a second piece.

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 04:50:06 am »

Dear George,
    That bottle is very good. We used to get those mid-19th C. glass flasks as 'filler' in multiple bottle lots in Ward-Price and Waddingtons auctions in Toronto, ca.1970-1980.
    We valued them at only  $10-20 each! But they were very scuffed and didn't look as good as yours does.  The story that I was told, was that they were made in China for the Japanese market, and sold already full of snuff.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 07:46:06 pm »

Very nice bottle George! 
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2013, 08:37:54 pm »

Thanks guys !

After searching archived auctions, this bottle sure seemed far nicer than any others I found..  Overall it is really, really nice..

Aside from the great job accomplished imitating agate, this particular shape of bottle is right up there on top for favorites..

I found your comment Joey about these generally being scuffed up to be so true.. Every single one I found online, really looked..., well to be honest, like crap.. Left over grind and sanding marks on almost all the ones I found..

Really happy to have this one in the cabinet !  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2013, 09:07:59 pm »

George,

Never heard Joey's story about this type of bottle before, but it certainly sounds plausible. In fact, I have seen very few good imitation agates in glass over the years, so in my opinion your bottle is far more rare than the equivalent 'real' agate.

The stopper and spoon look like good quality 1970s, similar to the ones Y.F. Yang used on his bottles, so I suspect it passed through the hands of a reputable Hong Kong dealer somewhere around that time. Is there a provenance history attached to this bottle?

The elongated round-cornered rectangular form is one of my favourite shapes too.  Smiley   
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2013, 09:43:29 pm »

I sent a message to the seller asking about any known history Tom..

Will let you know...

Thanks for that bit of info about the stopper/spoon..  Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 06:02:49 am »

Dear Tom,
   YF explained to me, when I visited him in Honolulu in Nov.2012, after the Portland convention, that when he got to Hong Kong ("In the Early Days..." as he loves to say  Grin), he could not find anyone to make collars and stoppers of hardstone.  So he got creative, and used vinyl records that were assorted colours, but usually black, and found craftsmen to carve them.
   Almost any time you find a bottle with a vinyl collar, you can safely assume it went through Hong Kong 1965-1990.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 06:13:14 am »

Problem is that those 'vinyl' collars looked decent... nowadays these plastic excuses they use for collars look terrible and make even a beautiful and special bottle look tacky and cheap. I have the same comment for these tacky brass contraptions with synthetic imitation stone (agate, coral. etc) ...

On the other hand, I have tried to commission hard stone or semi precious stone or bone collars in different sizes and fell over from shock at the prices they charge.. No wonder nice loose old stoppers go for good money these days.

If you think it was bad in Y.F. Yang time...
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2013, 06:36:49 am »

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   You are correct, but if we could get the really shiny brass to tarnish and look older, wouldn't those stoppers be more acceptable?
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2013, 09:57:46 pm »


   YF explained to me, when I visited him in Honolulu in Nov.2012, after the Portland convention, that when he got to Hong Kong ("In the Early Days..." as he loves to say  Grin), he could not find anyone to make collars and stoppers of hardstone.  So he got creative, and used vinyl records that were assorted colours, but usually black, and found craftsmen to carve them.
   Almost any time you find a bottle with a vinyl collar, you can safely assume it went through Hong Kong 1965-1990.


Yes Joey,
    That is what I was remembering too. I have a bottle I bought from YF Yang when he had his shop in Ocean Terminal in 1978. It has a stopper, collar and spoon almost identical to the one on George's imitation agate bottle. This led me to make my comment about his stopper being a 1970s product.

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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2014, 09:06:28 pm »

Since you already have a post on glass imitating silhouette agate, here's the little snuff bottle that I though was agate when I bought it, but when I was formatting the photos for this post, I saw air bubbles - glass!

Stopper is goldstone (not sure if that is the proper name, but I think I have heard it called that) with a gold fitting.

This is a small bottle, only 1 5/8" without the stopper.  The bottle shows a fair amount of wear from use as their are several chips around the mouth.  How badly does this affect value?

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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2014, 01:52:41 pm »

Thanks for adding your bottle here ...

Pretty bottle, and yes, a shame about the damage.. Even the one I originally posted does not hold a lot of value.. Maybe 100/150 US.. 

The damage on yours is significant and will greatly effect the value..
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2014, 03:58:45 am »

Tim,

It may be worth your while seeing if the mouth of the bottle can be professionally ground down to remove the nicks around the lip rim. Of course, that depends on how much the bottle cost you in the first place, cost of grinding, and weighing that total against the value of a similar bottle without damage (US$100 / 200).
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