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« on: July 01, 2013, 04:56:11 pm »

what type of paint do they use in the inside painted bottles?
Do they use a sealer?
Are there online info on how to paint inside painted bottles online?
Do they have to treat the glass to be sure the paint sticks?

I was thinking of doing something similar with old light bulbs as a type of craft.

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Donna Marshall
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2013, 08:13:11 pm »

Hi Donna

The   glass  inside the  bottle  has to be   rough, not  smooth, so that the  paint   sticks .
So part of the  bottle  manufacturing  process includes   blasting the  inside   with     some  kind  of    sand

That's  why  IPBs  are   rather  opaque   when un-painted

So maybe  you  could  try  using   frosted  lightbulbs ! 

IPB  =  Inside Painted  Bulbs ?!  WOW  !

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2013, 08:49:10 pm »

Sure light bulbs my husband is an electrician so I have access to lots of them...LOL
Figure to make some if it all works out thought they  would make some hanging ornaments. I have seen outside painted bulbs, so why not some inside painted ones .

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2013, 11:03:40 pm »

Donna,
   The trainee artists do inside-painted christmas tree ornaments that are almost certainly lightbulbs. I see them in the benefit auction at the ICSBS conventions every year. Since they don't fit the decor of my Sukka (tabernacle/hut/booth, for Feast  of Tabernacles in Autumn), I've never bought them.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 08:40:03 am »

Donna, what a cool idea girl, let us know how it goes.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2013, 04:29:40 pm »

Donna,
   The brush used for inside painting is today made of rubber-coated thick copper wire, with the brush part fastened at a right angle. Dajiang should be able to send you a brush or two. Alternatively, you can make brushes the old-fashioned way: take a bamboo splint (like a skewer for making shishkabab), heat the end and bend it to a right angle (rattan and bamboo should bend under pressure and heat. Let cool, and shave the bent end to a point. Up until the 1960s/1970s, that was what the bottles were painted with.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2013, 05:16:06 pm »

Sounds like great fun Donna !

Another inexpensive medium to try could be old corked type medicine bottles....
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2013, 10:12:55 pm »

lots of great suggestions will have to let you know how it goes.

Thanks everyone!
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2013, 11:29:09 pm »

唐娜
内画用的瓶子主要是:玻璃、水晶、玛瑙等透明度好的材料。
内画用的颜料主要是:中国墨,中国画颜料(水质的),油画颜料(油质的)。
内画用的笔主要是:软笔有毛笔(狼毫或羊毫),硬笔(竹笔、柳木笔)等。
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2013, 12:06:36 am »

谢谢你的信息。我使用的翻译很抱歉如果这是拼写错误或格式不正确。这一切听起来很有趣,我真正地尊重人才所需油漆瓶内。你有很棒的天赋,我爱你的瓶子。当我得到的用品全部一起和尝试这我将发布我的结果。再次谢谢你。唐娜马歇尔

Thank you so much for the information. I am using a translator sorry if some of this is misspelled or not right. This all sounds very interesting and I truly respect the talent that it takes to paint inside bottles. You have a wonderful talent and I love your bottles. when I get the supplies all together and try this I will post my results. Again thank you.

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2013, 12:09:41 am »

Thanks Dajiang for your information!

I didn't know oil paint can be applied on the inside painting, interesting..

Also just curious, is there any modern artist still using the hard pen?

-Donna and all.

Dajiang has some great info for you above.

The inside painting bottle can be Glass, quartz and agate, and the inner surface need to be roughed out by using crystal sand or steel grit as Peter suggested.

The paint can be chinese ink, water color and oil paint.

The brush can be made of wolf fur or sheep fur( soft pen) or bamboo stick or willow wood pen( hard pen).

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2013, 02:39:20 am »

Steven,
    That is interesting. Thank you.
Does Dajiang suggest where Donna can get brushes?
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2013, 10:12:01 am »

Steven,
    That is interesting. Thank you.
Does Dajiang suggest where Donna can get brushes?
Joey

Dear Joey,

Dajiang didn't mention where to buy brushes, But I assume Dajiang should know some sellers who sell brushes. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 09:53:25 pm »

Peter suggested using quartz sand or grit to rough handling. So, bottles of the inner wall have to scrub to paint. Few painters have drawn by hard-right now, I know my master Ma Zengquan with a hard brush to paint. I occasionally used. Hebei hengshui has sold the brush.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 01:12:02 am »

If I understand correctly, Donna,
 Mr. Dajiang is saying that after grit is used to roughen the inner surface, it must be cleaned out before one paints in the bottle (to remove dust which would mess up the paint ?).
I assume 'hard-right'  and 'hard brush' both mean what Steven called the bamboo 'hard pen'.
I am also assuming 'brush' refers to the wolf hair 'soft brush' most artists use today, and which is available in Hengshui in Hebei province in China.
I hope my 'translation' of Mr. Dajiang's translation is correct or helps.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2013, 12:08:25 pm »

Gathered lots of great info here!. I will probably make my own brushes just like my grandfather did. He made model wagons, stagecoaches and others. He would make his own brushes to suite his needs. My grandmother came home one time and he had cut patches off her fur coat, and even her cat!. No matter how many brushes we purchased him he preferred his own. So given the family talent I could probably whip up some brushes  Grin

thanks everyone!
Donna Marshall

这里聚集了很多伟大的信息!我可能会做出我自己的画笔,就像爷爷一样。他做了模型车,邮车和其他。他会让他自己的画笔符合他的需求。我奶奶回家一次,他切断了她的裘皮大衣补丁,甚至她的猫!不管多少刷我们购买他,他自己更喜欢他。因此,家庭天赋,我很可能掀起一些刷子,D

谢谢大家!
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2013, 06:24:34 am »

Donna,
   When you do, please post them.
Shabbat Shalom,
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2013, 08:33:07 am »

Dear all,
it has nothing to do with inside painting techniques, but the need of making thin strokes bring to my mind the woodcock pin-feather, and because probably not everybody knows about that, I am reporting it here for general culture. My daughter has been a restorer of fine old paintings and she told me about this. It is just one more notable feature of that incredible bird that is the woodcock, a bird that can sense and catch an earthworm 20 cm under the soil and is smart enough to simulate being hit by the shot of a hunter whereas it is not. He falls to the soil and then run through the grass. About his unique feather, I have found a page on the net explaining much better than how I can about it. Only two feathers each bird!
Giovanni
http://the-hazel-tree.com/2012/01/13/painting-with-a-woodcock-pin-feather/
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2013, 04:58:34 pm »

all comments VERY interesting. Thank you all for sharing...be sure to let us know Donna how it works.
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