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A box full of treats

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« on: April 19, 2013, 07:07:46 am »

Here is another box full of treats for the weekend!
    These are mostly late 20th century glass overlay bottles. Unfortunately, due to unstable mixture of ingredients (high alkali content) during the glass-making process, several have started to crizzle. This is especially noticeable on the 'camphor' glass bottles with red or blue overlay.
    As I have since discovered, this is not an uncommon problem, and probably started when the glass carving workshops, which had traditionally ordered their glass 'blanks' from established glass-making centers, began, due to increased demand, producing their own glass.
    Some of you may be familiar with crizzled glass from old snuff bottles that have been excavated from tombs, or been kept in damp humid conditions for many years. Usually in those instances the crizzling is extremely fine, and can often be removed by careful polishing. With the modern bottles, where the deterioration has been relatively rapid, is much courser and runs deeper, making it almost impossible to remove.

For further information on crizzling you may wish to look at the following thread, posted on this forum last year:

http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,687.msg7693.html#msg7693


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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 12:29:25 pm »

What a nice box full of goodies !

I like the ones with the darkest colored overlays..  Really makes the bottle pop !
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 12:30:02 pm »

Dear Tom L.,
   An interesting box of bottles.
My two favourites are the top right-hand bottle red on camphor or snowflake, with a floral design; and the bottom right-hand bottle, which looks like Lacquer red on caramel-coloured glass.
Shabbat Shalom,
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2013, 10:35:13 am »

Thanks guys.

Joey, the bottles are not nearly as good as they might appear in the photo. Next week I will post individual photos of some, and you will see.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2013, 06:47:27 am »

I will start posting some of the badly crizzled snuff bottles on the forum, but it makes more sense to continue the thread on crizzled glass:

http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,687.msg7693.html#msg7693

If interested in the problems of crizzled glass please follow this link to view them.

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 07:01:56 am »

Sorry all,

I have been run off my feet this last month and a half. I wil get around to posting as promised......soon.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 08:10:48 am »

Tom,
   Looking at this group again, the two bottles which look like they could be genuine 18th/19th C. examples are the top and bottom left bottles. I still like the top and bottom right bottles as objects, but they would not fool anyone familiar with genuine antique examples and colours.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 09:35:52 am »

Dear Tom,

Thank you for sending the pictures, here is a comparison I did for your bottle.

The crizzling is really bad, I can't believe its the same bottle. Huh

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 09:39:50 pm »

Dear Steven,
   Thank you so much for doing the photoshop editing.
   Yes, this was one of the worst cases of crizzling among my glass snuff bottles. It was bought in November 2006, and is my most expensive modern overlay. The second set of photos were taken in July 2012, less than 6 years later. It is as if the surface has been attacked by severe frost or UV light, yet the bottle has always been stored in a drawer with other bottles, and kept in a hot climate.
   All of my other overlay glass bottles that have crizzled show quite different characteristics: the surface has not "frosted"; instead, deep fractures have developed across the bottle, like the 'cracked ice' effect seen on some quartz crystal bottles......but are more like stress cracks. I think Inn Bok has a bottle that developed similar cracks, which was discussed on the forum recently.
   All of the damaged bottles are modern overlay glass, and all except one are of 'camphor' or 'snowflake' glass. The lesson is to avoid all modern overlays on clear and camphor glass. Some modern coloured glass and milk-glass overlay bottles in my collection have no problems. 

George,
   Would this be better posted under the "Crizzling" thread?

All best,
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