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What is this motif suppose to represent ?

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« on: March 28, 2013, 05:16:45 am »
Commonly seen in the "scaly dragon in flight among clouds, chasing a flaming pearl" theme.

Are these a part of the flaming pearl ?
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 07:20:49 am »
George,
 I believe it is meant to be stylised clouds.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 07:36:43 am »
Thank you Joey...  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 09:06:51 am »
George,

From my readings in the past I was lead to believe that it is indeed flames.  This game playing of the dragon with the pearl of wisdom among the clouds creates somewhat of a vortex of swirling clouds and flames as the dragon chases the pearl through the cloud cover.  This is what creates the black smoky coloration in the storm clouds.

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 09:50:43 am »
Could be, Charll.
   But I never learned that Chinese dragons have flames. That tends to be a facet of dragons in medieval European mythology, in my experience.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2013, 11:41:38 am »
That was flame.  And flame is a part of the chinese dragon mythology.  In fact, most decorative dragon motif has the dragon chasing after a flaming ball (pearl).  And flames are around the limbs of the animal.

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2013, 03:58:13 pm »
Thanks Walter,

The illustration you've given is how I understood it.  It is a "flaming pearl" that gives off spurts of detached flames as the dragon, or dragons, chase it through the clouds.  And yes, I was under the presumption that these detached flames get caught up in the scales of the dragon during the chase.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2013, 05:03:28 pm »
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    I stand corrected.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2013, 05:26:04 pm »
Thank you guys  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2013, 08:07:38 pm »
WOW   I wondered about this too, good to know what it is! 
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 12:35:30 pm »
Dear all,
those are surely flames. That motif is well known as flames in Chinese iconography. Once I attended at a conference on mythical animals at a museum and they said that the chinese credence of flying dragons could belong from the phenomenon of lightings among the clouds.
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