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« on: February 19, 2013, 05:45:17 pm »

Dear Chinese speakers, can you please tell me if there is the name of the painter and the cyclical date in the inscriptions below? It is a big porcelain vase of the end of the 19/early 20th century.
Thank you very much in advance.
Giovanni


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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2013, 06:37:25 pm »

Dear Giovanni,

It was painted in Jia zi, either 1884 or 1924 , there is a studio name on it , 金竹轩( golden bamboo studio). No artist name signed.

Found one online for your reference,

http://www.gucn.com/Service_CurioStall_Show.asp?Id=5254831

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 01:58:35 am »

Dear Steven,
I didn't knew that you were so good in reading Chinese language! I know that it is not easy also for many Chinese people to read the characters written in this way. Are you Chinese?
Thank yu very much, now that you have told me the date, I have been able to spot where it is written.
For sure 1924, because 1864 is too much early for that kind of vases.
Thank you very much.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 09:55:49 pm »

Dear Giovanni,

Just to add to Steven's comments.
Your third image has the one line inscription at the extreme left that reads :
' imitating the original copy at the 積古齋(Ji Gu Zhai ) studio '. The word 齋 on your vase is in the seal script.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 11:04:33 pm »

Thanks Inn Bok for your info!

積古齋(Ji Gu Zhai ) studio should have nothing to do with the artist of the bottle.  I am not sure , but what I understand is the inscription should be read as' imitating  the original copy of 積古齋(Ji Gu Zhai ) studio..'

The original copy of the Ji gu zha should be a book from a Qing Period scholar 阮元 who collect all Bronze Inscriptions in his book. That is why I can't understand what was written on the right side of the inscription,since I assume they are Bronze Inscriptions

That is my guess, please correct me if I am wrong.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 01:51:56 am »

Thank you dear Inn Bok and Steven, it is good to know that we hav at least two members here that are able to read that kind of inscriptions. BTW as said the quality of the vase is not so fine; when of good quality, they are usually signed.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 02:33:43 am »

Dear Giovanni,

I am a Chinese, but not a Chinese scholar though !
My pleasure to share wherever i am able to contribute.

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 04:01:36 am »

Dear Inn Bok,
do not bee too much modest. I have two Chinese colleagues whom I see seldom because they are working in the offices of another town, and beside that I do meet occasionally some Chinese guy. I have seen that most of the time they have difficulty in reading those inscriptions.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2013, 07:00:22 am »

Hi All

I  must especially  thank  Steven for  all the  help  he has given me   on the  Chinese  side

MANY THANKS    STEVEN !

Cheers  Peter
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 04:17:13 pm »

Dear Giovanni,
   Having met Steven 2 weeks ago, I can vouch for him as Chinese. I would assume that those who collect Asian Arts, like Steven, Inn Bok, Walter, Richard, etc.,  are more conversant with the calligraphy found on art works than, say a salaryman. And Steven is a graphic designer, if I understood correctly .
   But Steven, since slavery was outlawed in the USA after 1865, we can correct you, but not collect you!  Wink Grin
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