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Jet ( Lignite ) Qing Dynasty 1821-1850

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 09:51:31 am »

Dear Steven,
    The second Jet bottle you posted came from Mary Margaret Young's collection. She was a fine person and a real lady, and she had superb taste. I believe her bottle, the Bloch bottle, and the first one shown (fetched US$4,150) are all Palace Workshops. I agree the one you bid on is the finest of the three, and was a bargain. The Bloch botte fetched 3 times what I would have thought, because of Hugh Moss' manipulation of the market vis a vis the Bloch collection.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 09:56:33 am »

Sorry Joey,

I don't have a deep pocket to bid on the bottle even I REALLY love it.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2013, 08:26:32 am »


This bottle will be shown up on our forum in the future.Smiley
Don't make it wrong, I am not the lucky winner. Huh


Hi All,

Apologies for my long silence, but now it's time to 'fess up'. I am the lucky winner of this bottle!  Cool

I have been after a good quality jet bottle for some time, and been following and bidding on every one that comes to auction over the last 3-4 years. But they always sold for way over my budget limit. This is the FIRST time I have ever bid on eBay, and could not have succeeded without a large amount of help and guidance from Steven. I really owe it all to him. THANK YOU Steven!!!

Even so, I would have lost this bottle if I had not read the comments from Joey, Steven and Giovanni about ALWAYS buying the best quality you can afford. It prompted me to re-think my bid ceiling in the last few hours, and thus secure the bottle. Yes, it is more than I can afford to spend on one bottle, and has blown my budget for now, but it is a stunning bottle, of a quality rarely seen on the market.

Tom

PS: Joey, are you sure the bottles you used to have with silver thread inlay were jet and not black lacquer? I have never come across a jet with inlaid silver wire. It would be extremely tricky to do.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 09:29:25 am »

Ah!! You, hein?SmileySmileySmileySmiley
Congrats dear Tom.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2013, 09:43:04 am »

Dear Giovanni,

Thank you. To be honest, I found the whole eBay bidding process quite stressful, and also had some work related issues to deal with on Friday. By the end of the day, when I saw that I had won this bottle, I was a complete wreck, and headed straight to bed!

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2013, 09:55:50 am »

Dear Tom L,

Congratulations to your BIG winning again!

Your money and All the effort you put on the bottle will be paid off when you hold the bottle in your hand.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2013, 10:00:20 am »

Dear Steven,

And ALL the effort YOU put on the bottle! I cannot thank you enough.  Smiley

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2013, 11:41:54 am »

WHOOPS! Tom L.,
   You are correct! They were black lacquer. Sorry! Embarrassed
Anyway, Congratulations! A magnificent bottle! (Boy that's a lot of exclamation marks in one post...)
Believe me, now you are happy; when you have it in your hand, you'll be happier; in a few years, when you really  realise what a bargain it was in retrospect, you'll be even happier.  Grin   Grin
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2013, 03:21:26 pm »

Congrats Tom !
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2013, 03:26:56 pm »

Dear Tom,

Way to go!  I think yoiu made a home run on this one. I actually think it could just as easy be Qianlong.  There was one sold signed Yizhai that is very much like your shape and foot. That one is given a broad date but could be as early as 1740.

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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 03:34:55 pm »

Tom B.,
   I think you are correct. It could well be as early as 1750.
In the Bentley Collection (sold by Clare Chu, Asian Art Studio, 2008), there is a very nice Jet bottle, dated 1750-1820.
I think yours is better, Tom L. Again, Congratulations.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2013, 05:12:26 pm »

Tom L,

The ‘Jet’ snuff bottle is one nut I have not cracked mainly due to limited availability and cost.  Although the price paid may seem high, it does not seem unreasonable when compared to prices I’ve seen paid over the last ten years.  As some have indicated the price paid may even be a ‘low estimate value’ if you were to run this bottle through an auction house.  On the provenance note, I hope you requested and get a copy of the YF Yang receipt with this purchase this bottle.

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2013, 06:03:55 pm »

Great buy Tom!  Absolutely love that bottle. Enjoy it..
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2013, 11:56:06 pm »

Nice catch, Tom!
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2013, 04:34:24 am »


Way to go!  I think yoiu made a home run on this one. I actually think it could just as easy be Qianlong.  There was one sold signed Yizhai that is very much like your shape and foot. That one is given a broad date but could be as early as 1740.


Dear All,
   Thanks to all of you for your kind comments.

Hi Tom B.,
   If you are referring to the Yizhai in the Bloch Collection, I have looked at all ten jet bottles in TCSB Vol.7, and personally think two others are closer in appearance (if you have the book, they are nos. 1603 and 1605; the Yizhai is no. 1604). To me it follows the classic Daoguang rectangular 'flask' shape, which is probably why Y.F. Yang assigned it to that period when he sold it to the seller's father in 1968. But, interestingly, one of the above mentioned Bloch bottles is dated to as early as 1760. So it may be Qianlong, but we will never know! 
   
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2013, 10:05:16 am »

I'm  just  glad that  my    taste  is  restricted to  VMIPBs  ( not even  MOPBs  in general)

Otherwise  I  would  be   penniless   by now

That   jet bottle   was  BEAUTIFUL !

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2013, 08:14:29 pm »

ABSOLUTELY STUNNING BOTTLE!!! So glad you captured it!  Enjoy!!!! Jo
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2013, 12:16:36 pm »

I am watching this bottle, but it is described as an obsidian snuff bottle, what is the difference between  obsidian and Jet?

Is it a stone or organic bottle?

I like the stopper very much, but so pity there is a chip on the top rim, I guess I can live with that If I can get it cheap.Smiley

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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2013, 12:41:44 pm »

Steven,

It does look like an obsidian bottle or could be glass imitating obsidian.  Obsidian is a volcanic glass formed as an extrusive igneous rock often found as flows on the surface, thus a stone material.  It has a high silica content and acts much like glass upon impact.  Native Americans used it as a source of making arrowheads and cutting tools, and it was also used in the making of surgical scalpel blades at one time.

Although jet is considered a geological material and a minor gemstone. Jet is not a true mineral, but rather a mineraloid as it has an organic origin, being derived from decaying wood under extreme pressure.  Jet is a product of high pressure decomposition of wood from millions of years ago, commonly the wood of trees of the family Araucariaceae. Jet can be found in two forms hard or soft. Hard jet is the result of the carbon compression and salt water; soft jet is the result of the carbon compression and fresh water.

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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2013, 01:04:32 pm »

Thanks Charll for the detail explanation!

It does look like a glass appearance from the chip, I just won it, will post more detail on the right category when it arrives.

I have not seen any antique obsidian bottle anywhere, not sure if anybody here have seen any similar one, so I can have some reference?

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