Click On Globe To View Forum Visitors From Around The World

General information about the Site

This snuff bottle community forum is dedicated to the novice, more experienced, and expert collectors. Topics are intended to cover all aspects and types of bottle collecting. To include trials, tribulations, identifying, researching, and much more.

Photobucket

Among other things, donations help keep the forum free from Google type advertisements, and also make it possible to purchases additional photo hosting MB space.

Forum Bottle in the Spotlight

Rube shared this really nice Yan Yutian bottle


Chinese Snuff Bottle Discussion Forum 中國鼻煙壺討論論壇
December 13, 2018, 10:40:47 am
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
  Home Help Search Contact Login Register  

A New Look at Chinese Inside Painted Snuff Bottles (J.H. Leung)

Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: A New Look at Chinese Inside Painted Snuff Bottles (J.H. Leung)  (Read 1181 times)
Pat - 查尚杰
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 3400


Zha Shang Jie 查尚杰


« on: April 03, 2011, 05:44:05 am »

For several years I have been trying to get my hands on this book, but have been unsuccesful.  Anyone know where I might be able to find a copy?  Internet searches come up either blank at book dealers or have astronomical prices.  Ideas and thoughts welcome... Thanks!  Also, any other books that anyone feels is a 'must' as reference material for pre-1950 bottles? 
Report Spam   Logged

Best Regards

Pat
查尚杰
Zha Shang Jie

richy88
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2289



« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2011, 10:40:28 pm »

Hi Pat

You may want to try these 2 bookstores: Hanshan Tang Books (http://www.hanshan.com) and Paragon Book Gallery (http://www.paragonbook.com).

For the snuff bottle collector, I strongly recommend the following 2 titles as a start:

Chinese Snuff Bottles - The Adventures & Studies Of A Collector by Lilia S. Perry
The Collector's Book Of Snuff Bottles by Bob Stevens

They are excellent reference books and even make a good reading for non collectors.

I do published a list of snuff bottle books in my library on my Facebook page: www.facebook.com/richardbaey.

Hopes this helps.

Regards.


Richard
Report Spam   Logged

Richard from sunny Singapore
Evaluate Educate Entertain
George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 10547



WWW
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2011, 11:48:56 pm »


For the snuff bottle collector, I strongly recommend the following 2 titles as a start:

Chinese Snuff Bottles - The Adventures & Studies Of A Collector by Lilia S. Perry
The Collector's Book Of Snuff Bottles by Bob Stevens

They are excellent reference books and even make a good reading for non collectors.




Both Lilla Perry and Bob Stevens book came highly recommended to me as well.

Lilla's Book is apparently very popular.. I just can't help but comment that much of the content is very similar to Bob Stevens Book. Which in my humble opinion is 10 times the book and ten times the amount of information..
Report Spam   Logged

Pat - 查尚杰
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 3400


Zha Shang Jie 查尚杰


« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 01:08:27 am »

Thx George, I have both of these... Trouble is that a lot of the info from Perry and Stevens is 'dated' (consider when they were published) and sometimes incomplete or inaccurate, especially about the inside painted bottles.  Please notice they often refer to the most commonly seen and resold bottles in all of the important collections at prices way outside of my wallet's size, like hyperspace.  But they are good 'general' base level 'must have' info books for most folks who collect all types of bottles, I would agree.

On this subject, I would also like to find a compilation of the top 20-50 modern inside painters (the top range of all the schools, not just for example Wang Xisan's inclusion of 'his' school's artists in his publication).   Anyone have any votes/classificiation/etc..? I am starting to get ready to catalog and take pictures of my inside painted bottles, and to be honest, some of them I never thought or really cared 'who' made them at the time, just went for style, subject, and detail....It may be a nice surprise to see what is currently mostly in storage. I guess I just have been traveling and working too much to really enjoy this hobby.  I made myself a resolution that needs to change.  I hope... ;-)
Report Spam   Logged

Best Regards

Pat
查尚杰
Zha Shang Jie
Pat - 查尚杰
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 3400


Zha Shang Jie 查尚杰


« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 01:24:55 am »

Just to clarify my statement on Wang Xisan's book, it is very slanted toward the Ji school (his, understandably to some extent, with 71 artists) with some inclusion of the 3 others, with the other schools mentioned but not profiled, for example Lu (19 artists), Jing (7 artists), and Yue school (1 artist).  I am just trying to get an independent view on this... Any ideas?   
Report Spam   Logged

Best Regards

Pat
查尚杰
Zha Shang Jie
George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 10547



WWW
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 03:50:12 am »

Thx George, I have both of these... Trouble is that a lot of the info from Perry and Stevens is 'dated' (consider when they were published) and sometimes incomplete or inaccurate, especially about the inside painted bottles.  Please notice they often refer to the most commonly seen and resold bottles in all of the important collections at prices way outside of my wallet's size, like hyperspace.  But they are good 'general' base level 'must have' info books for most folks who collect all types of bottles, I would agree.


The fact that they are dated did cross my mind. I can not comment about being incomplete or inaccurate. One thing for sure is that I have found Bob's book extremely useful.

When I first started the forum, one of my interests was and is the same as yours. I searched high and low, contacted different schools, etc.. In hopes of learning more about student artists.

Bill's ( snuffbottlecollector ) Snuff Bottle Collector site has been an invaluable resource. Also have enjoyed and learned much from Wang Xisan's book which Bill has posted on his site as well.

When I searched online, and contacted the different schools, it was in an effort to learn about the artists we know nothing about. In all honesty, unlike the older bottles which I enjoy collecting for different reasons, new student bottle purchases I do take into consideration the artist. So was and am really interested in having access to information about the "new" student artists.

I do have to consider the artists of these newly painted bottles as reference to the possibility that the artist may some day become well known and desirable. Thus making a bottle purchased today perhaps worth a little money in the years to come.

So.... It seems the artists ( and I could be wrong ) that we are exposed to are made known to us only because the school has approved to promote them. Again, I could be completely wrong.

I wonder if there are student artist that we know nothing about. Just starting out... I would really like to know more about these new and unknown artist, their work, and bottles available. I have read that these schools have hundreds of students within each...     

I find it odd that there just seems to be no information about each and every of the hundreds of artists within each of the schools.. 

Here in the States, young, brand new and upcoming artists of every imaginable kind are members of clubs, associations, special interest groups, art schools, etc, etc.. Photographs, and biographies are easy to find. 

 
Report Spam   Logged

Pat - 查尚杰
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 3400


Zha Shang Jie 查尚杰


« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 12:55:46 am »

Hi Richard.

Apologies!  I just now realized the answer came from you and not George (got confused with the quotes here. sorry...).  Are there any books all in Chinese that you might recommend about old(er) inside painted bottles or even the new ones?  I already have the three books that are on Bill's web site (www.snuffbottlecollector.com)  I am really trying to date/classify/verify some of my collected bottles over the last few years, both old and new.  This is a hard hobby to get information for on the inside painted bottles, other than the catalogs of auction houses, and they only deal with (mostly) the same bottles over and over...

Thanks!
Report Spam   Logged

Best Regards

Pat
查尚杰
Zha Shang Jie
George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 10547



WWW
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 02:39:17 am »


I do published a list of snuff bottle books in my library on my Facebook page: www.facebook.com/richardbaey.



Are these all for sale Richard ?

I am have been looking through them all past few days.. My head starting spinning !  Cheesy
Report Spam   Logged

richy88
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2289



« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2011, 10:12:34 pm »


I do published a list of snuff bottle books in my library on my Facebook page: www.facebook.com/richardbaey.



Are these all for sale Richard ?

I am have been looking through them all past few days.. My head starting spinning !  Cheesy

Hi George, these books are my reference library. However, I do have some extra copies on a few titles that are available.

I have listed them on ebay as follows:

Snuff Bottles: Little Gems of Delight - S$ 60
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991069&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_896wt_905

Chinese Snuff Bottles: NUS Museum Exhibition - S$ 30
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991817&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_804wt_905

Fine Chinese Snuff Bottles from the Richard F. Kuenkler Collection - S$ 30
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991833&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_824wt_905

Modern Inside-Painted Artists from the Ji School - a 2-volume publication in Chinese - S$ 60
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991877&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_875wt_905

The Art of Liu Shouben (Grand Master of Beijing School) published in English and Chinese with over 160 bottles - S$ 100
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991877&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_875wt_905

Masterpieces Of Miniature Art: ZiHu Studio The K.H. Yeo Collection Of Chinese Snuff Bottles - S$ 120
This title is not listed on ebay and includes inside-painted bottles and enamel bottles

You can read the details in the ebay listings. I will be offering the book at the starting bid price to all forum members, excluding shipping charges. Therefore, you need not have to bid or pay a higher Buy It Now price.

For shipping charges, please email me directly at richard.baey@gmail.com on the titles and your location so that I can quote accordingly.

I till post the book covers in the Gallery section for your reference.





Report Spam   Logged

Richard from sunny Singapore
Evaluate Educate Entertain
George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 10547



WWW
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2011, 10:40:08 pm »


I do published a list of snuff bottle books in my library on my Facebook page: www.facebook.com/richardbaey.



Are these all for sale Richard ?

I am have been looking through them all past few days.. My head starting spinning !  Cheesy


I will be offering the book at the starting bid price to all forum members, excluding shipping charges. Therefore, you need not have to bid or pay a higher Buy It Now price.



Thank you for doing this .. Greatly appreciated..

I can not make up my mind between these two.

Snuff Bottles: Little Gems of Delight - S$ 60
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991069&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_896wt_905

Modern Inside-Painted Artists from the Ji School - a 2-volume publication in Chinese - S$ 60
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150584991877&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_875wt_905

Then I can't help but think about the new bottle that I might be able to purchase instead !!

Yet starting a little library is very important.

I recieved a December 1976 issue of Arts of Asia today. I bought it for the article about the Shantung school.

This was the first magazine related to snuff bottles that I had ever purchased. I am really pleasantly surprised at the amount of snuff bottle information that is in this issue. Great article and lots of great pictures.

It makes me quite comfortable with purchasing more of the same magazines.

Any way... I am still undecided  Cheesy
Report Spam   Logged

George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 10547



WWW
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2011, 10:49:09 pm »

Ok.. I think have decided on the Little Gems of Delight ( Hard Copy Edition ).

So if you want to remove that one from your eBay listings will PM you about payment.

Besides having 780 bottles from 36 local collectors, it holds a little nostalgia being it is from the International Snuff Bottle Societies first held meeting in Singapore.

Looks like a great book !
Report Spam   Logged

richy88
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2289



« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2011, 11:21:41 pm »

Hi George, thanks!

I have already sent you a reply on your PM regarding the shipping cost.

Please revert at your convenience.

For the ebay listing, I have more than 1 copy of this title, so it will stay for a while.

Regards.


Richard
Report Spam   Logged

Richard from sunny Singapore
Evaluate Educate Entertain
Peter Bentley 彭达理
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2521



« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2011, 06:32:42 am »

Hi  Richard

Are  you  stil looking  for a  copy  of  J H Leung's   " A new  Look of  Inside  painted  Snuff Bottles"  ?

If  so,  try   

1. Abe Books

2.  Crunruh books

I can  send  you  FOC a  scan of  both the   English and   Chinese   versions

Cheers

Peter @ Hong Kong

Report Spam   Logged

richy88
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2289



« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2011, 06:38:33 am »

Hi Peter

Thanks for the offer. I already have the Chinese version.

It will be a great help if you can include the scan (both English and Chinese version) in your memory stick that you are sending.

Thanks again!


Richard
Report Spam   Logged

Richard from sunny Singapore
Evaluate Educate Entertain
Peter Bentley 彭达理
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2521



« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2011, 01:51:18 am »

Hi Richard

Yes  of course  I will  include  a  scan  of  both  English and  Chinse  versions   on the  memoery  stick

( The   English version  has  a few  more  addendums and  pics  than the  Chinese   version)

FOR  ANYONE  ELSE   READING THIS  STRING :

 Copied  of the  English  version  are    available  on the     net   via  2nd  hand  book  stores

Try    Abe Books   and   Crunruh  books.  Both give  excellent  service

Cheers

Peter
Report Spam   Logged

Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal