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Jill's new catalogue "INSIDE PAINTING SNUFF BOTTLE Autumn 2012"

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« on: September 02, 2012, 12:00:10 am »

Hi all,

Jill's new catalogue has been completed and being sent soon.
Yesterday I have visited her shop and got one which includes Zhang Yong, Pan Jiafang, Song Yiming, Hou Yingzi, Suo Jing, and other excellent artists. I think the new catalogue is also nice.

I have got several bottles which shown on the catalogue yesterday and I would like to share with you one bottle made by Meng Dehao. I love his calligraphy.




This is my first time to attach photos on this forum. So I am not sure if this way is OK or not. If not appropriate, please accept my apology.

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 12:14:30 am »


Yes, I received the catalog a week ago.  To my taste, not as many bottles that would be of interest me in this years catalog.  Also, mine did not price list.  Did anyone else receive a price list with the catalog?  If so, I would greatly appreciate having a copy.

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 01:03:34 am »

It is really weird. I also did not receive a price list for the 2011 catalog after several requests by email over a few months' period.  Her long overdue and final answer was that all bottles were 'now sold', and that as a result, it was 'irrelevant at that stage'.  As a result of this, I told her that was a strange way of doing business and that the prices 'were' and remained relevant at all time, even if just as a gauge or comparison, and that i would still appreciate having a price list to go with her 'sales' catalogue, as after all that is what I had received.  As a result of that last interchange I seem to be omitted from the mailing list.  I have never received another reply, 2012 catalog, or whatsoever.  I also never heard back from her on my (also multiple repeated - note this was before the 2011 catalogue issue) inquiry about types and prices of stoppers (I talked about this in another post here somewhere). Maybe business is too good in China, but this is NOT the right way to treat people.   

Certainly I will think long and hard before giving her any of my business or recommend her to another collector. Sorry to be so blunt.  And YES, I realize this thread is in public.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2012, 03:51:57 am »

Hi Pat,

I assume that Jill's English is not good enough to communicate with native English speaker like myself. And also there is a chinese way to do things. I am, a Japanese, sometimes confused with chinese way of doing business. Sometimes they are so slow, slowing a breaking-ball, and silent.
But I do "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".

Personally Jill is very nice lady and quite reliable.

Hi Charll,

The price list for the 2012 Autumn Catalogue seems to have been completed quite recently. I have just received today through e-mail. I think she will send you soon.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 09:14:03 am »

Hi  All

Although   I  know   Jill  probably  better  than  anyone  on this   Forum,  I  still  find    it  difficult to  get  her  catalogue  and price  list  as  soon  as  it  is   available   Embarrassed

And I   find this   as  frustrating  as  do   Pat  and others     Angry

Jill  will  be  in HK  in  1st week   October and  I will  show  her this   correspondence ,  which  is   open  / members'  lounge  stuff  ( as  it  should  be /  no "Pub"  for  this) 

I   DO  like  the  Forum   because  when   stuff  is  open  it  is  indeed  OPEN

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 10:52:03 am »


Peter,

I can get you the 2011 price list.  I'll try to remember to email it to you next week when I get back to the office after the Labor Day holiday. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 11:29:22 am »

Charll

Can you please also email it to me? Thanks! ... I think you have my email, but you can see it here.

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 07:56:13 pm »

Hi All

I called   Jill last night  to talk about this, because it seems  like  one of those  classic cases  when  one  exchanges   dozens  of  emails   but  in  fact a  simple  phone  call  solves  all

So it  was indeed !

Jill's   catalogue  system is  very  simple  :   she  has  a postal  distribution system  for  her  catalogue  and the  price  list  is    automatically  included   as  a    1  -page  insert.   The   catalogue  is  too  big  to email    even as  a  pdf  file   so  soft  copies  can only be  sent  on special request  on  disc  or   USB  stick  - which is how  I  get my soft  copies  to    enter into  my  data base

If  the price  list    is  not included    with the  catalogue   it's  just  an  admin error   and the price  list can  easily be sent  by email  as a  pdf 

Jill   has  several   hundred  people  on her postal  mailing list  so  it's  understandable that -  given her    very  limited  office   admin  facilities  -  individual  requests  get  lost.

To get  on her  mailing  list  :  email  Jill    direct  :   <jillNO*SPACE@NO*SPACE263NO**SPACE.NO***SPACEnet.NO****SPACEcn>   

That's    jill      @      263       dot  net     dot     cn   

Note  that's  a   "cn"  at the  end,  not a   "com"

Just delete the  no space  bits    and  asterisks

Use   that  address,  send  Jill a test message  ( mention my name  PETER BENTLEY  in the   subject line so she   flags  it  )  and   when you get an  acknowledgement  then  send  her  your  postal  address.    In China  a lot  of  emails   don't get through  for  one  reason or  another  so  always   test  an  email  address  first before  sending  crucial  info. (  Just like  my  junk email   filter  is   set  on maximum  so   maybe  I  miss  out  on a  couple  of  genuine  messages  in order  to avoid  hundreds  of  junk emails  trying to   sell me  viagra   or money beg  scams* )   

Also  -   and  very  infuriatingly   for  me  as one her  best friends  -Jill  has  STILL  not  cottoned  onto the  Forum  and  its  importance. I  introduced the   Forum to her  last year  but  although  she  is  reasonably  computer  savvy  she   still  does  not  understand  it  because  it  "appears to be  all in  english" 

So last night  by phone  I stepped  her through   how to  log  in  in Chinese  ( "Google  :  snuff  +bottle  +  forum , then    find the  language  bar  at top  left  on home  page   BINGO ! " ) 

WARNING  :  If the   Chinese  translation  of  our  English  renderings  ( now there's  an   example  of  a  word  which can never be   translated  into  Chinese  correctly  : "renderings" )  are as  clumsy  as the    Google  translations   to English  of    Chinese  websites,    much of  what  Jill and  Chinese  artists  read  on the   website  will be  gobbledygook    and    any sane  person  would  give  up

That's  WHY  we  need    just  one  section  in the  Forum   with a   dual   English/ Chinese  title   - which we  now  have  -    where  artists  ( and  bona  fide  Chinese  dealers)  can post their   websites .    BUT  NOTHING  ELSE.  No  Chat,  no   NUTHIN :   just   websites   / blogsites/  artists  email  addresses  :   so that  it  becomes  an international   reference   site - link where  artists  can  post    their  contact   details.  From there on one    goes  through  Google the    artist  website  in   Google - Translate mode    and  communicates  in  simple  short   sentences  (  No  "renderings" ! ) 

I  can't   emphasize  enough  the   importance  of  keeping this  section  of  the    Forum   clear  of  ALL   personal  messages  and  comments  unless it  really  is  on a   "need   to know"  basis  (  e.g  XYZ  artist's   correct    address  is   this :   1234567 @abc.com  )  otherwise the  clutter   will     turn off the  artists  who   access  the  Forum using the   translate  tool bar

Cheers  Peter

*  Again to  repeat for the  Nth  time  : never  post  your  email address "en claire"  on the   Forum or  else   it  will be  picked  up by the   web-trawler  programs  as a  genuine  address,  and  forever  after  your  will  get   viagra   and  money-scam   junk emails.  That's  why  I coded   Jill's    email  address 

But  it's   safe  to  put  your  email  address  in the  Forum   registry




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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 08:17:13 pm »

Thanks for your hard work on this Peter. I will send another request...
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