general question about the glass bottles

[deelsb26]

hey, question..why are some IP bottles hollowed out, then inside painted and are heavier in weight, (ends up looking like a bottle inside a bottle) and others are lighter weight and just looks like the painting is inside the whole bottle? Am I making scense? O.K. probably not...so humor me Danna

[George]

Do you mean ( as an example ) bottles like this Suo Zhenhai bottle that Charll shared a while back..




 

[Steven]

Hi Danna,

You almost confuesed me but I think I know what you mean.

Some bottles are fully hollowed out, after being painted,those bottle look like the painting is inside the whole bottle.

Some bottles are partially hollowed out(Like your cat bottle), after being painted , they look like that there is another bottle inside, and those bottle is much heavier than the ones fully hollowed.

So it really depends on how the bottles are hollowed.

Does it make sense?

Steven

  

[deelsb26]

yes to both of you. George, yes that bottle you showed is one that when painted looks like a bottle within a bottle, of course I know it isn't... the way steven explained it is making scense to me, and that explains it. Is one more desirable then another, or is it like i suspect, that it would depend on 1.) the artist 2.) the quality of the painting 3.) how much you like it?

[Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司]

Danna,
  The 'market value' would depend on the first two; its value to you would depend on 3 primarily, but I would say 1 and 2 as well.
Joey

[deelsb26]

thanks guys, that helped me, and I'm sure any other "newbies" checking this out! Have a great night.

[aidan31]

Hello Danna-

I concur with Joey's valuation grade; however, I've noticed that generally the better painters tend to use the better hollowed bottles.  I have 50+ bottles painted by Suo Zhenhai and most of them are painted in very well hollowed bottles.  Some of his less expensive bottles were done in bottles with thick walls and the paintings were of simpler, less complex designs.  His more elaborate paintings were always done in well hollowed bottles and the ones I commissioned from him of specific designs were also done in well hollowed bottles.

My observations, of course, are a reflection of my personal tastes.  I prefer a bottle to be comfortable when held in the hand, not heavy as the less well hollowed bottles feel.  I think also that it partially depends on how much money the artist has to purchase a blank bottle.  To make a well hollowed bottle demands more time and skill on the part of the carver and therefore would be more expensive.

I hope think helps a bit.

Rick

[Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司]

Rick,
  I agree with your observation as a rule, but have seen some top quality modern IPSB artists, purposely use bottles only partially hollowed, especially in quartz or agate, for effect. So, while I agree in principle, I must point out that little exception to the basic rule.
Joey

[aidan31]

Joella-

Indeed, there are exceptions to every rule and I do agree with you but I was adressing VMIP glass bottles.

While there are some inside painted agate bottles that have thick walls to fit in with the design of the painting, I personally think the paintings show better detail in a thinly hollowed bottle.  The majority of inside painted agate bottles that I have seen tend to be VM and, at times, the only way to appreciate the painted designs are with back lighting.  Some can be very lovely bottles with innovative designs making use of the natural inclusions but I feel that if you cannot appreciate the design except with back lighting they become novelties as opposed to works of art.

Again, just personal observations and inclinations.

Rick

[Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司]

Dear Rick,
   AS I said, I agree with you, but Peter has some and a few others, as well (I think Richard and Pat), and they have a little area hollowed out and painted, and they are very good quality and important artists. With that exception, I'd be totally in agreement with your statements.
Joey