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 91 
 on: June 11, 2018, 11:28:21 am 
Started by cshapiro - Last post by OIB
Adrian,

It is an interesting IPSB, with that kind of shape usually seen in material bottles.

The artist called himself/herself ' 玉青(Yu Qing) ' and he painted it in the Summer month 夏月  of the
year 丁酉 ( 1957 or 1897 ).

Regards,
Inn Bok

 92 
 on: June 11, 2018, 04:28:36 am 
Started by Mat - Last post by Mat
Thank you joearp!
Mat

 93 
 on: June 10, 2018, 03:00:14 pm 
Started by forestman - Last post by rpfstoneman
Joey,

It's my sense your original assessment of Adrian's bottle is about right as based on an internet evaluation.  I was speculating the bottle and design to be from the 2nd half of the 19th century.  I too considered bidding on both lots at Chiswick London auction and the Alex Cooper auction in Towson Maryland (USA)  that had this blue and white figural designed bottle recently.  However, I was pursuing other bottles at the time.   

Remember you keep telling us that bottles are often created in series or as a group for presentation.  There of course are individual designs, but many are produced as a group and even in gross (144 or more) for the export market in the late 1800's.

Here again is a blue and cooper red bottle I paired up from a UK and Florida auction in 2016.  I do not consider these fakes or reproductions.  Just a couple of bottles with the same design that were scattered across the globe.

Link: http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1491.msg34293.html#msg34293

Link: http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1491.msg42378.html#msg42378



Giovanni, a rooster base design or mark is not that uncommon.  I have seen a few over the last 10 years or so.  My thinking is that the rooster could be related to the story line of the bottle's design or may simply be a zodiac|year mark on the bottle. 

Charll     

 94 
 on: June 10, 2018, 04:13:40 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Fiveroosters
Dear Joey,
you are right, I do not know why I have written "palm", I was probably almost sleeping Grin.
As for your last question, I am not saying that Adrian's bottle is a fake, I repeat that I have not a firm opinion about it, it so strange. But I must say that since a while I am seeing a lot, really many, old looking bottles that are suspicious, and in particular so many blue and white ones.
Kind regards
Giovanni

 95 
 on: June 10, 2018, 02:07:58 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Joey
Dear Charll,

     That bottle looks almost identical to Adrian's purchase.
How could 2 almost identical ANTIQUE examples surface so closely?
Are these actually fakes?
Perturbed,
Joey

 96 
 on: June 09, 2018, 11:00:50 pm 
Started by forestman - Last post by rpfstoneman
Adrian,

Congratulations on picking up some very nice bottles recently.  I was looking at the same l lots as well but did not bid. Here is another recent comparison to the blue and white bottle you posted here.  I like your bottle a bit better.

Link: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/60893234_two-chinese-porcelain-snuff-bottles

Charll
 

 97 
 on: June 09, 2018, 04:33:15 pm 
Started by cshapiro - Last post by Joey
Dear Adrian,

    Could the artist be Suo Zhenhai? 
Best,
Joey

 98 
 on: June 09, 2018, 04:30:04 pm 
Started by forestman - Last post by Joey
Dear Giovanni,
   
     The bottle looks 'right' to me for a mid-19th C. soft paste B & W.
Re. the rooster on the base: I suggested it could be a potter's personal mark, or be part of a Rebus message from the bottle.

     Is that definitely a palm ? Those look like Plantain leaves to me.
Best,
Joey

 99 
 on: June 09, 2018, 02:26:35 pm 
Started by forestman - Last post by Fiveroosters
Dear Adrian,
only now I am seeing this your bottle, thanks to Joey’s post. It escaped me when you did post it.
It is very strange to me. Judging by the potting, it seems an old one. The base, foot and shape are convincing and I understand Joey’s opinion.
What is strange to me is the decoration. The trunk of the palm is strange, isn’t it with that V shape? And the grass at its base too is drawn in a strange way. The style of the only figure that we see entirely too is strange.
What do you Joey think about the rooster on the base, have you already seen that?
My conclusion is a strange decoration on a bottle that is convincing looking old.
Don’t know what to say exactly.
Kind regards
Giovanni

 100 
 on: June 09, 2018, 06:43:44 am 
Started by cshapiro - Last post by ileney
I have never seen anything like this before. It’s really different and compelling. Thank you for sharing. It’s lovely.

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