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 on: July 11, 2018, 11:09:57 am 
Started by OIB - Last post by Joey

    I found a Japanese seller in Kyoto who does not know how to pack things well, and sent no gift or message.

   My last day in Japan in April, I went with my friend Ger looking for Japanese mens' cloth kimono belts, and found them. As well, we toured Nishiki Market, and also had a delicious sushi lunch in a tiny restaurant with 5-7 seats [!]. As well, in a gallery selling bronzes etc.,  I found a wonderful meditation rock on a wood stand. I bought it, and the dealer assured me it would be well packed and sent.

    It was sent, but was poorly packed and broken into 2 large pieces, 19-20 cm long each, and a few little bits. The bottom part still fits into the stand, and looks fine, although roughly half its original height. The upper part I am thinking of sending back, and requesting that the dealer have another stand made to fit it, and send back both rock and stand to me.

   Giovanni felt I should send it all back and demand a refund. He may be correct, but I still like both pieces, and they could work as 2 meditation rocks, if I can get a proper stand for the upper part.

 on: July 09, 2018, 09:46:58 am 
Started by rpfstoneman - Last post by Fiveroosters
Dear Tom,
those color changes in underglaze red are normal, it may change from red to green to brown, depending on factors like temperature and especially the type of kiln atmosphere.
Nice bottle.
Kind regards

 on: July 08, 2018, 11:00:13 pm 
Started by rpfstoneman - Last post by Wattana
Dear Giovanni and Albert,
Thank you for your comments. The forum has gone very quiet lately!

Dear Giovanni, I always appreciate your opinion when it comes to porcelain, as that is not one of my strong points. The style on my bottle is what I would describe as spontaneous and 'painterly', since I am not familiar with the term 'Jiaomo'. But if the dish you posted is an example of this technique, then I understand. It is a style I have seen often on blue underglaze, but rarely on red underglaze wares.
I am not sure how the artist achieved the graduation of colour on this bottle from red to green-grey, but it looks like the brush strokes on the tips of the grasses are done by finishing each stroke quickly and lightly, depositing relatively little 'ink' at the end. At least, that is how I would expect it to be done on paper or silk.


 on: July 06, 2018, 03:39:35 pm 
Started by rpfstoneman - Last post by Fiveroosters
Dear Tom,
very nice and most important, if I am not wrong, very interesting.
I do not know if what I am seeing is due to the nature of copper red under glaze decoration, which usually is less sharp of the underglaze blue cobalt, or if it is instead due to the painting technique.
It seems to me that the second possibility is the valid one. I am not expert on Chinese painting, but to me here we have a particular painting style, similar to that which we can see on this dish of mine, which has been described as being painted in Jiaomo (dried-ink) style Chinese landscape painting.
It is dated Spring 1905, and signed Wang You Tang, a known artist which is also known as Wang Di.
It is the first time that I see a snuff bottle painted that way. I particularly like also the perfect execution of the base and foot. Very nice, thank you for posting it.
Kind regards

 on: July 06, 2018, 08:47:41 am 
Started by rpfstoneman - Last post by albert
Hello wattana,

I am a complete inexperienced in this type of snuff bottles, but I find it very beautiful, besides the stopper is very very beautiful!
We will wait for the opinions of the experts.

Thanks for sharing,

 on: July 04, 2018, 12:17:11 am 
Started by OIB - Last post by Wattana

My plates arrived from Japan this morning.

Hi Adrian,

That's quick.
Very atttractive. No use for me though - I'd be constantly pushing my food around the plate to look at the bottles!

All best,

 on: July 03, 2018, 11:45:03 pm 
Started by OIB - Last post by samsonlzj
Dear Inn Bok and Adrian,

Lovely! Thanks for sharing! Adrian, I agree with you. Always admire Japanese service culture and the meticulous way they package their products. Thatís why Japanese products have always been popular in the world market.


 on: July 03, 2018, 09:27:39 am 
Started by OIB - Last post by forestman
My plates arrived from Japan this morning.

It is always such a pleasure to deal with Japanese sellers who thank you for your order as soon as you place it and add hand written notes of thanks and small gifts in with the goods which are always beautifully packaged.

Regards, Adrian

 on: July 03, 2018, 05:26:23 am 
Started by rpfstoneman - Last post by Wattana
Dear All,

It has been a while since I posted any bottles on the forum. Apologies for the absence. I have one to share on this thread. Enjoy....

An underglaze red copper-oxide and blue cobalt-oxide porcelain snuff bottle of cylindrical form, with cylindrical neck, convex lip, a glazed mouth and interior, and a recessed plain glazed base surrounded by a raised circular footrim; painted in flowing copper-red brushstrokes with a scene of a fisherman holding his fishing rod over an expanse of water as he sits on a bank under a willow tree, near a rocky hillside, the neck and base with twinned bands of underglaze cobalt blue. Coral stopper carved in the form of a coiled chilong.

Height: 7.6 cm
Tentative dating: 1820-1880

Additional commentary:
Rustic pictorial scenes executed in loose and simple strokes of the artist's brush, as in the present example, appeal to me. I particularly like the fact that a large area of the 'canvas' has been left blank, the artist resisting the temptation to fill the entire surface. The theme of a lone fisherman in a pastoral setting was a popular one, since it stereotyped the scholar in a idealized existence. As with all the bottles in this thread, controlling the two colours combined required technical skill. Here the underglaze red has fired with particular success, showing good colour and gradation of hue, turning green-grey where it thins out at the tips of the foliage.

Provenance: Hamilton Collection, 2003 (no. 223)

 on: June 30, 2018, 07:30:47 pm 
Started by Steven - Last post by Joey
Dear Steven,

     Did you ever find the examples you mentioned below?
I still don't know where to place this bottle.

Dear Giovanni and Rube,

Thanks for your inputs!! and Yes Giovanni, you are absolutely correct on the motif,:)

And Dear Rube, good guessing on Ma shaoxuan, and the calligraphy does have some similarity with Ma shaoxuan's or more specifically, the calligraphy is closer to Ma shaoxian's.

However the painting style is a little off Ma family's.

I will have some example shared later.



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