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 on: October 10, 2018, 11:04:12 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by Rube
Brian,

Whatever it is, I like it!   For what it's worth, referencing A New Look of Chinese Painted Snuff Bottles, there are many examples of Dong Xue's work.  Any examples where he paints English words, they are shown slightly more formal and italicized, unlike this example.

Cheers,

Rube.

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 on: October 10, 2018, 10:09:34 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by snuffmke
Some interesting perspectives here. Keep in mind that these pictures were shot through a loupe with an iPhone 8 Plus camera, not a professional macro lens. While the photos might look "soft" to some, that's really not the case when you see it in person. The detail picture of my grandfather's face may be slightly out of focus, which would contribute to the blurriness of course. I do, however, think I captured the detail on my grandmother's scarf pretty well. It is not soft at all. The colors are quite vivid and distinct.

I can't really speak to the calligraphy from Dong Xue as the examples in the url are far too small to evaluate.

Brian

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 on: October 10, 2018, 05:28:46 am 
Started by George - Last post by Rube
George,

I like the globe feature that has been added, too!

Cheers,

Rube.

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 on: October 10, 2018, 04:13:31 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by George
Dear Brian,

I canít be very sure as well. But let me offer you another approach of researching into it. The bottle is signed Dong Xue who is a renowned student of Wang Xisan specializing in painting portraits.

Here are some examples.. http://snuffbottlecollector.com/dong_xue/dong_xue_000.htm  I do not see Dong Xue style at all within any part of Brians bottle, including the calligraphy.

Take a look into the bottle through the neck like Peter did.. See if you see any traces of glue. I don't think you would want to try what Peter did and do a little scrape test to see if you get the same results of scrapings like he did.

But take a good look at the interior surface. There is a huge difference between a painted surface, and that of an applied photo..

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 on: October 10, 2018, 03:34:46 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by samsonlzj
Dear Brian,

I canít be very sure as well. But let me offer you another approach of researching into it. The bottle is signed Dong Xue who is a renowned student of Wang Xisan specializing in painting portraits. You may want to compare your bottle with some of his other works and see if they match in style, though his portrait works are usually very close to the real subjects.

In any case, I agree with Tom and George that it is a lovely family heirloom!

Best,
Samson

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 on: October 10, 2018, 03:25:49 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by forestman
Sorry for my recent absence from the forum and I will try and find time to post some recent purchases but I thought I would throw my thoughts into this.

I'm in two minds as to this but I am leaning more towards it being painted.

The pigments used in paints are finely crushed powders so if you look in extreme close up, especially with water colours, the colour laid down appears as uneven, you can see some of the individual crystals of the powders having been broken down by the water. If you look at the picture of the reverse of the bottle you can see this unevenness of the colour of the leaves but they are painted so would they look similar under extreme close up.


The detail of the clothing is painted, look at the uneven lines on the tie, what would they look like under extreme close up.

I see the point George is making about lines looking blurry on the detail of the faces but in that much detail paint does look blurry, water colour in particular tends to blend colours dependant on how wet it is when laid down.

Regards, Adrian.

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 on: October 10, 2018, 03:20:45 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by Wattana
Well, there goes my two-cents' worth..!   Sad

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 on: October 10, 2018, 01:38:50 am 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by George
Hi Brian..

Like Tom said.. Regardless it is a wonderful family heirloom !

There is a topic about these kind of photo images where a process is used that actually creates a sticker from a photograph. Probably a photograph your Grandfather sent to the artist to paint from.  There is even a patent on this process. Open via Pats pdf file..

If you read through that topic above, you will come across some images that I have put side by side to yours for comparison.  I think you can see what I mean.. This is certainly a photo applied to the inside..

Notice how blurry and flat the facial features are, and how the colors are broken up like in your Grandmothers scarf. There are zero brush strokes within the facial features.  The only difference between the facial features to yours and the comparison painting is that someone highlighted the hair on the girl.. Sometimes they will highlight eye brows, and mustaches as well.. From a distance you would never know.






Here is a fairly good close up for Mrs Reagan by Wang Xisan.  It is the best painted portrait I could easily find for now. Wish I could blow it up even further for you, but you can still see how everything shows detailed brush strokes.. Nothing is blurred..


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 on: October 09, 2018, 11:23:55 pm 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by snuffmke
genuine painting, executed in the 'pointillism' style - no photo enhancing...

Hi Tom,

That was my impression (no pun intended) immediately too. It looked like a pointillist painting. I had no idea that IPB were executed in that technique. Inside painting seem impossible enough, but pointillist style to boot. Crazy.

Brian

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 on: October 09, 2018, 11:00:40 pm 
Started by snuffmke - Last post by Wattana
Hi Brian,

Firstly, that is a wonderful family heirloom to have and to treasure. I wish my grandparents had left me something like it!

As for the technique, my two-cents' worth is that this is a genuine painting, executed in the 'pointillism' style - no photo enhancing....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointillism

Best,
Tom

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