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 on: Today at 12:46:06 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Wattana
Is the foot of my bottle raised or is it lowered but then can you lower something that is already the lowest part  Huh Grin



Adrian,

Can we discuss Einstein's General Theory of Relativity instead? That's an easier topic.....!   Cool

All best,
Tom

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 on: August 15, 2018, 10:33:18 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by forestman
Hi Tom,

This is where it gets confusing.

You say you refer to the part in contact with the table as the foot and also describe bottles as having a raised foot. To the way my (troubled) mind works if you raise a foot it becomes a base and whatever is raising it then becomes the foot. Essentially, yes you are raising the foot but only in order to put another foot under it.

Your sketch B shows what is to me a footrim (foot rim) which in the Treasury books on jade is described as a recessed oval foot which is misleading. You can have more than one kind of recessed oval foot.

I referred to my bottle as having an inset flat foot to describe the fact that the foot is a smaller oval than the body of the bottle, it steps in from what would be the natural line of the body if it continued down in an unbroken line.

Is the foot of my bottle raised or is it lowered but then can you lower something that is already the lowest part  Huh Grin

Regards, Adrian.

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 on: August 15, 2018, 09:49:42 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Rube
Tom,

Thanks, I'm starting to get it!
Hopefully if you read my posts on the crystal bottle yesterday and malachite one today, I described each correctly!

Cheers,

Rube.

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 on: August 15, 2018, 09:36:46 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Wattana
Hi Rube,

As Adrian pointed out, the terminology has changed over the last 20 years. Many collectors call the whole bottom part of the bottle a foot. I prefer to only refer to that part in contact with the table (when stood up) as the foot. Any recessed part not touching the surface is the base.

I take my cue from porcelain collectors, who have been around a lot longer than snuff bottle collectors. They refer to a "base mark", never a "foot mark". But the rim surrounding a recessed base remains a "foot rim".

Best,
Tom

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 on: August 15, 2018, 07:24:05 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Rube
Tom,
Your sketches with descriptions are helpful.
But, I guess Iím confused when one would say base vs foot rim? Does that only apply to glass bottles?
Thanks,
Rube

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 on: August 15, 2018, 03:55:08 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Wattana
Hi Adrian,

Lucky I asked. From your earlier description and the not very sharp photo I had you down as A.

Tom

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 on: August 15, 2018, 02:51:16 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by forestman
Hi Tom,

C1  Grin

I do find foot descriptions to be misleading, the Treasury books don't help as the descriptions change from the earlier books to the later ones. The jade bottles have basic descriptions but by the glass bottles the descriptions are more detailed.

Regards, Adrian.

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 on: August 15, 2018, 12:29:36 am 
Started by forestman - Last post by Wattana
Sorry Guys (and Gals, if you're reading this),

I'm having difficulty understanding everyone's terminology when describing the base of Adrian's bottle.
For clarity, I've sketched out three possible interpretations of the base profile - see diagrams below.

Type A - flat recessed base with NO raised foot

Type B - raised foot with a flat recessed base

Type C.1 - raised foot with a flat base (not recessed)

Type C.2 - raised foot with a concave base 

Adrian, please say which of these profiles best describes your agate floater (if any).

Thanks,
Tom

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 on: August 14, 2018, 11:58:21 pm 
Started by forestman - Last post by OIB
Adrian,

The raw look of the stone carve wth this subject is really very pleasing to look at. The carving was quite well executed to me, crisp and defined. As ' soapstone ' comes from different locations in the mountain areas around Fuzhou city in the Fujian province of China, they vary in quality and textures. some of my friends collect soapstone [ 寿山石 ] carvings and my understanding is that soapstone snuff bottles are not many to come by. I have one done by a middle-aged Fuzhou carver, Lin, whose head of the family is renowned for carving polar bears with soapstones.

Inn Bok


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 on: August 14, 2018, 11:27:48 pm 
Started by forestman - Last post by OIB
Adrian,

That is a very nice well-hollowed agate bottle.

I also have one or two agate bottles with flat oval-shape base having a shallow concave recesss.

Inn Bok

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