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 1 
 on: June 27, 2017, 06:19:05 am 
Started by pookles - Last post by Joey
Dear Luke,

     My pleasure. But I'm hoping yours is an authentic cinnabar lacquer as well. The question will be, how to restore it, if it is.

    Meanwhile, I just got some new beehives, and it was amazing watching my neighbour 'install' the new swarms that arrived 2/3 weeks ago, into them. One swarm was in a tree up my yard, and another in the barn, near the tree. He drove the swarm 4 miles away, and then delivered them right to the new beehives, in the orchard part of my walled garden.

   It seems bees do not fly more than 3 miles radius from their home. So if you go 4 miles, it cancels out their 'homing' ability, and it 'reboots' to the new hive.
Best,
Joey

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 on: June 27, 2017, 04:18:33 am 
Started by pookles - Last post by pookles
Dear Joey,

Amazing, it's on! That is very kind of you and really looking forward to meeting you, Adrian and others. And also, viewing some of your authentic lacquer examples!

Dear Adrian,

Looking forward to seeing the inro. This is my only lacquer piece too but will be interesting to get yours and Joey's thoughts.

Thanks, but I also use that same resource to compare bottles. Very useful! There's a cinnabar SB in that collection, which has a Qianlong mark on the bottom and is said may be one of only 2 known examples that have a credible mark. I must admit I'm curious/sceptical, but I don't think the article goes into detail on that point.

I was considering buying the organics volume on A Treasury of Chinese Snuff Bottles (maybe this has info?), but I can't find a dedicated book on lacquered Chinese snuff bottles. I'm going to have a look through some ICSBS journals to see if any are relevant... I'll let you know if I find anything...

Best,
Luke

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 on: June 27, 2017, 03:18:03 am 
Started by Mat - Last post by George
Nah... I think same..

c. the oldest dated Le San bottle is 1893, oldest known dated Bi Rongjiu bottle 1895, this would make Le San precede Bi Rongjiu (highly unlikely)



You certainly have a point Pat !

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 on: June 27, 2017, 02:29:02 am 
Started by cshapiro - Last post by Joey
George,

   Believe me, I've tried to avoid her since I stupidly spent a total of over 135 hrs. during the first 6 weeks after she joined the Forum, trying to help her learn.
BUT, when she gives false info (like the latest - describing the three fake Ma bottles in the Zacke auction as "a bargain, IMO", since she didn't know they were fake), I don't feel I can ignore it. Thankfully, this time Charll corrected her.

   Never mind the previous time, when she pulled a 'Cathy Griffin', a few days before President Trump's Inauguration, by joking about "the Trump Assassination, I mean Inauguration".
I'm NOT an American - I'm Israeli; and I was seriously offended by that fake 'slip of the tongue'. Any American who is truly loyal to American democracy, should have been even more so, and the person's politics is not the issue.

  While I loathed, and loathe, the man, I'd never have advocated for Barak Hussein Obama's lynching, even as a joke. I have too much respect for America's successful 231 year old experiment with a working mass population democracy.

   We'll agree to disagree over her personal qualities, or over her 'positive' contribution to the Forum.

   But in the latest case, after Pat mentioned  his hassle with the ICSBS, and Charll wrote I was on the ICSBS Board (I'd thought to contact Pat privately, to help him), I decided to offer my assistance to both Pat AND to Cathy.

   I don't know what 'phishing' is and don't care. And I DON'T do 'insinuation'. I tell it to your face, whether positive or negative.
   Because we'd had over 7% of our membership get caught with a scam, I wanted first, before I queried Berthe and the new guy in the ICSBS office, to be sure she'd not been scammed in the same way. I think that was a fair assumption on my part.

I did NOT expect to be attacked by someone whom I was attempting to assist.

Yours,
Joey

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 on: June 27, 2017, 01:01:03 am 
Started by Mat - Last post by Pat - 查尚杰
Nah... I think same.. just unskilled/untrained at that time.... 

For me the evolution and level of complexity was Changbai Shanren --> Le San --> Xing Ting --> Bi Rongjiu

The other things to consider:

a. 1895
b. 2 Shandong Artists at that time?  Not likely, where Bi Rongjiu (real name) is widely accepted as the founder of the Shandong School/movement, and Le San is a pen name (and remains an unknown)
c. the oldest dated Le San bottle is 1893, oldest known dated Bi Rongjiu bottle 1895, this would make Le San precede Bi Rongjiu (highly unlikely)


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 on: June 27, 2017, 12:51:53 am 
Started by Mat - Last post by George
I saw these two, but did not think to compare them as the same artist..

Have to say that I am not convinced though Pat..

I think the mountains and landscape as a whole is just enough difference that not the same..  The bird sides I don't think the same.. The branches, leaves, etc are different to me..

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 on: June 26, 2017, 11:14:52 pm 
Started by Mat - Last post by Pat - 查尚杰
Purely by accident, found out some more compelling proof that Le San and Bi Rongjiu are actually the same person, and not contemporaries.  Have a look at  these double bottles both dated 1895, one signed Bi Rongjiu, the other Le San.

Look at painting style and calligraphy style, indistinguishable, in my view...

Bi Rongjiu = Xing Ting = Le San in early formative years = Green Bamboo studio (Chang Bai San Ren)

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 on: June 26, 2017, 10:02:47 pm 
Started by cshapiro - Last post by George
   You are a rude, offensive person, who thinks she knows it all, when in reality, you know nothing and seem to learn nothing.

I have been trying to figure out what to say to this Joey..   I really must say that it was not necessary no matter how poorly the two of you seem to get along..

Personally, I truly believe Cathy a very nice person, who as a new collector has come much further than did I at this short time she has been collecting..

I think it would be best if the two of you simply stay clear of each other as I really do not want to loose Cathy as a member here..

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 on: June 26, 2017, 07:30:15 pm 
Started by oliver - Last post by samsonlzj
Dear Oliver,

Welcome aboard! I'm an new collector from Hong Kong who's been collecting for a year and a half.

As a snuff bottle enthusiast, you've come to the right place. This is a great forum for dynamic discussions on the category and everyone is so helpful and willing to share!

Enjoy your time here!

Best,
Samson


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 on: June 26, 2017, 04:54:55 pm 
Started by oliver - Last post by Joey
Dear Jo (and David),

    Andy was such a wonderful, welcoming dog. I really enjoyed him when I visited you all.
   I had a few blocks of grey Kilkenny Limestone (they call it 'Kilkenny Marble'), and we cut them up to form smaller blocks, 2 ft. X 1 ft. X 1 ft. high, and put each canine's name, IKC name, DOB & DOD on his or her stone.

   Laddie, the first one to go and be buried in my little hidden garden, within a Japanese style fence, near my Meditation Garden in the style of the Ryoan-ji in Kyoto (but not wide enough, sadly. You should not be able to take in the whole breadth of the raked gravel area in one view; but I wouldn't cut down trees.) got a Granite stone 3 ft. wide X 2 ft. X 1 ft high, with LADDIE, 'Rainsford Son' (his IKC name), DOB & DOD, and, I think (it's lashing rain and 10:46pm, so I'm not going out to check!),
a phrase like "Loyal Friend".

  But all the country houses have such areas for the beloved small pets who pass away. But the late John Ault and his lovely widow Penny Treembungroong Ault, really beat all of us in Ireland!

   On the grounds of their Chiangmai estate, they have a mound near the front of the house, which is about 2-3 feet above the surrounding lawn; it's where they buried their pet 'rescue elephant'!  Roll Eyes Grin

    Best,
Joey

   

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