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1  Miscellaneous / Special Events, and Snuff Bottle News / Re: Singapore Snuff Bottle Group on: October 19, 2017, 12:54:06 am
Dear Richard,

Thanks for sharing!

The Sultan fish looks delicious. Grin Grin So do the bottles Shocked Shocked

Cheers!

Steven
2  Miscellaneous / Special Events, and Snuff Bottle News / Re: Meeting of Singapore Collectors on: October 18, 2017, 11:35:16 pm
Dear Innbok,

It looks like that you guys had a lot of fun!:)

I always wish that there is some collectors living nearby , so that we can share the experience and have some fun together once a while. Forum is the wonderful, but you can't handle the bottles via screens.Smiley

Cheers!

Steven
3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisone Bottle To Share .. on: October 16, 2017, 07:09:49 pm

I am wondering where you found the date "1789" for a closing of the Imperial workshop?  I have the catalog "Cloisonné - Chinese Enamels from the Yuan, Ming, and Qing Dynasties" from the Exhibition held at the Bard Graduate school January 26 – April 17, 2011

https://www.bgc.bard.edu/gallery/exhibitions/27/cloisonn

In it they have a chapter dedicated to the Imperial patronage of the arts.  It explains that there is very little written record pertaining specifically to cloisonne, but from the records they list "workshops and manufactures in the province of Guangdong, in the cities of Yangzhou (Jiangsu province), Beijing (Heibei province), and Jiujiang (Jiangxi province), among others, each of which displayed different styles and characteristics." 


Dear Tom B,

Thank you so much for sharing the info and video, I have more respect for the cloisone bottles after watching the video, it takes a lot patience and process to accomplish a cloisone ware.

The date I provided for the closing time was quoted from Tom's comments, Maybe Tom can provide the source, at same time I will do some research as well.

Best,

Steven

4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Crystal Clear on: October 16, 2017, 06:36:04 pm
Lovely spoon! Grin
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisone Bottle To Share .. on: October 15, 2017, 11:02:55 pm
I was trying to find some imperial workshop Cloisone bottles from the National Palace Museum of Taipei Or Beijing, and trying to compare with those cloisone bottles sold on the auction houses and marked with Qianlong Nian zhi, but so far I have no luck at all.

There are a quite few of enamel on metal bottles from Kangxi Nianzhi ,and Qianlong Nianzhi on both Museums, why there is no a single cloisone bottle is recorded. It might because of the closing down of the workshop in 1789, but its almost the end of Qianlong period, how about from 1736-1789?

-Joey, Tom , do you know when did the workshop resume after the closing down?

Steven
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Crystal Clear on: October 15, 2017, 12:38:43 pm
Dear Joey,

Thanks for your info as always. Cheesy

I am wondering if Bob signed the spoon he made. Wink Grin Grin

Cheers!

Steven

Dear Steven,

    You are correct - the late Bob Stevens of blessed memory did make a few ornate spoons out of old ivory chopsticks - although I remember that his Japanese lover was the more 'hands-on' one with that end of the hobby.
As I remember it, Bob was the designer, and the other man the actual carver and polisher.  But Bob Stevens didn't 'produce' more than 3 or 4, or possibly 5.

    
7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Enamel Painted Bottles / Re: Enamel on copper bottles on: October 15, 2017, 10:30:34 am
Sorry for the confusion Joey.

Yes, I meant it could be as late as 1935 or later as 1950?

-Dear Joey, the screw thread in the mouth gave me the impression altho I am not so positive.

Best,

Steven


Dear Steven,

     The dating I gave was ca.1875-1910. That IS early 20th C. Do you mean to as late as ca.1935? That could be right as well, I guess. 
Please clarify what you mean by "early 20th C.".
Best,
Joey

8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Enamel Painted Bottles / Re: Enamel on copper bottles on: October 14, 2017, 05:18:57 pm
Dear Rube,

I also like the second bottle better.  It looks Canton Enamel to me as well.

It there any chance that you can share a photo of the spoon, I am not so positive about the date, Joey might be correct about the date, but my first impression was later than that. it might be dated early 20th.

Steven
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Crystal Clear on: October 14, 2017, 05:10:10 pm
Thanks Samson and Rube sharing those two wonderful bottles!

Congratulations! Those two are really lovely, I also love the spoon in Rube's bottle, I remembered I saw a photo with Bob Stevens were making the spoon himself with the ivory chopsticks.

Have a wonderful weekend!

Steven
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Shandong bottle on: October 13, 2017, 10:26:05 am
Thanks Rube for sharing the beautiful bottle. Its better painted than most of unsigned shandong bottles in middle period .

I am with Joey on the date.

well done , its a very nice bottle!

Steven
11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisone Bottle To Share .. on: October 13, 2017, 10:20:29 am
From my understanding that Japanese cloisone bottles turn out to be designed more sophisticated and detail oriented which just like the Laque Burgauté bottle they have, While chinese cloisone bottles have more simple design. Its just my observation, Waiting for your inputs.

Best,

Steven

 
12  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisone Bottle To Share .. on: October 13, 2017, 10:01:22 am
Thanks much Tom for sharing all the info!!

I was doing some research last night, trying to organize a little before posting more.

I tend to agree all the bottles here are chinese origin.

Here are a couple of small bottles from Japan and dated 19th, as I can tell the style is different from what we have here now.

I will do some more research on the Qianlong nian zhi Cloisone Bottles, I believe that they are a few out there. we can discuss a little further.

stay tuned

Steven
13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Crystal Clear on: October 11, 2017, 06:41:13 pm
Very good example of Tourmalinated Quartz bottle.

Thanks for sharing!

Steven
14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Jade Purse on: October 11, 2017, 06:39:28 pm
Dear Rube,

I love the bottle,  lovely shape, nice carving ,Such a small bottle with so many details,  The hollowing is decent if we consider the small size of the bottle.

I think its a little treasure, When I have no clue of the date, I normally fully respect Joey's . 1820-1900 sound perfect ..Smiley

Cheers.

Steven
15  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisone Bottle To Share .. on: October 11, 2017, 06:28:50 pm
Dear all,

Thanks you all so much for all the discussion!

Its fascinating to see all the comments, we agree and disagree like we always do. Cheesy Cheesy Hopefully the discussion can lead us closer to the truth. Cool

I tend to agree that bottle is Chinese origin if the bottle below are all chinese, But its any chance that all the bottles below are Japanese origin? or with the influence of Japanese ? I have to say that when I look those bottle again, they all have some decoration close to Japanese art style. Maybe I am going too far.....But it might be a fun thing to be discussed.

As far as the last bottle Tom B shared, I am with Joey tend to agree that the bottle is not genuine Qianlong bottle, maybe we can find more evidence when the  time passing by, or approved we are wrong.

Thanks and Keep it going...

Steven   

16  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisone Bottle To Share .. on: October 10, 2017, 02:33:48 pm
Glad to see the post again.Smiley

I did have a chance to acquire another cloisone bottle a while back. was trying to do some research on it before posting it. But it seems that I can't find much info on any similar bottles.

The bottle's shape and design is very similar to some of 19th bottles, but the enamel being used are not so common. it looks much like the golden sand.  Its 6 cm high, I can tell it has some age on it when I handle it, but not quite sure if it belongs to those 19th bottles or not, your comments are welcome..

Thanks!

Steven
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: 2 realgar snuff bottles on: October 10, 2017, 02:24:18 pm
Let us keep the post going Cheesy

Here I am sharing another Realgar or glass imitating Jasper, The colors are close to typical  realgar bottle, but the shape and pattern are not quite so common.

I will let the experts to have their comments.

Thanks!

Steven

18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Metal bottle with stones on: October 10, 2017, 02:09:01 pm
Dear Rube,

That is a possibly one of the best examples of this kind of bottle, very well made, the stones are all perfectly embellished.

I am with Joey and George on the date 19th.

Well done!

Steven
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Enamel on metal bottle on: October 10, 2017, 02:04:36 pm
Thanks for sharing Rube!

That is definitely a interesting piece.

I personally think the bottle might newer than it looks like, the symbol or the character on the sliver stripe is "丰feng" which means bumper harvest ,the symbol on the back are wheat which also mean bumper harvest,. But the 丰 is a simplify character which was widely used after 1950, before that " 豐feng" the traditional Chinese character  was the one used widely. I am not saying that there is no chance it can be dated before 1950, we still can see some simplify characters were used before 1950, but not so often, and the scheme "bumper harvest" is not a popular scheme for 19th C.

So overall, I will date it 1950-1970. Just my 2 cents worth.

Anyway, A very interesting bottle, and thank you for sharing.

Best,

Steven
20  Shop and Swap / Current and Upcoming Auctions / Discussion About Bottles / Re: Sotheby's Hong Kong Auction 2 June 2017 on: October 10, 2017, 12:34:39 am
I remember reading an article somewhere about the type of clear white paint that Zhou used for small fish tails and that it was very fragile.  According to the article it was very often missing on genuine bottles. 

Dear Tom,

You are absolutely right about the clear white paint that zhou used for fish tails was very fragile, I have seen a quite few of his bottles fish missing their tails. Beside fish tails all the other painting condition seems very fine.

Best,

Steven
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