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1  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: IP snuff bottle - 1980-90's on: September 20, 2018, 09:49:10 pm
Hi Stew...

Hand painted, but I can not help with any of the script..  Modern tourist bottle like you said.
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: White Jade bottle on: September 17, 2018, 09:06:47 pm
I was wondering if there is any particular mm thickness associated with the term “well hollowed.” I always assumed “floater” was the term that literally meant it was hollowed well enough that the bottle would float in water.

I would say 3 to 5 mm, and yes, a well hollowed bottle will float in water. 

3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: White Jade bottle on: September 17, 2018, 07:24:17 pm
1)The finish does perhaps appear to have a bit of an orange peel finish to it. Nephrite jade is particularly susceptible to undercutting in the sanding/polishing phase and it is very difficult to avoid. This is caused by the stone having areas that are slightly softer and those softer areas peeling off of the harder, lending a so-called "orange peel" mottled sort of finish instead of a brilliant, uniform shine. The lapidarists who cut jade all the time often advise special techniques for avoiding it, such as dragging the stone back and forth from wet to dry across the sanding and polishing wheels, avoiding heat, sanding very slowly, and using diamond powder on a wood wheel for finish. It seems every other person who cuts jade will have contradictory advice, but it is a skill and also is dependent upon the specific materials used to sand/polish and the quality of the stone as well. 2) I tried to follow the link to see Charl's definition of "well hollowed," but the link didn't work. I too would be curious to see this defined.

Yes indeed.. Nephrite has a fibrous makeup.. Like you mention, different lapidaries have different ways of tackling orange peel.  It can require the use of an series of abrasives that can include starting at 140, 280, 300, 1200, 3000, 8000, 14000, and on up to 50,000 and 100,000. Hard wooden wheels can also be used.

Sorry about the link I provided. It was meant to be private. I should not have posted it.. That is why the link will not work.. Apologies..

In a nutshell, a well hollowed bottle would have very thin walls, including the lapidary having worked up into the shoulder of the bottle so that the wall there is also very thin. If well hollowed then some like to use a term, "floater" to show just how well hollowed it is.
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with Ye Family bottle translation on: September 15, 2018, 11:42:45 pm
Hi Rube! Beautiful Ye bottle!

I have one Ye figure bottle of the theme of 聊齋誌異 “Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio” dated 1906: http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,3288.0.html

Here are your translations:

己巳年 - Year of Ji Si: 1929
秋月 - Qiu Yue: Autumn month

Best,
Samson



No wonder I was not finding the scenes, as I was searching Dream of the Red Chamber !

Good thing Samson had the correct ( “Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio” ) information for you Smiley
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with YST bottle translation on: September 13, 2018, 09:48:30 pm
Just to add..

I thought the man hiding in the tree could be Fu Lian from Strange Stores Chinese Studio.

But Steven mentioned that there is a character who looks like Fu Liang hiding in a tree but is from another story, "神女" Shen nv , or Goddess.
http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1294.msg40609.html#msg40609

Hope these last two posts are helping and not confusing or completely wrong Smiley

What is the scene on the fourth panel ?

6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with YST bottle translation on: September 13, 2018, 09:13:27 pm
I had a bottle with the same scene showing these three court ladies by a stream..

The one side shows three court ladies "that I guessed" to be painted at the same waterfall/stream as the other scene on my bottle which is from a painting by Ma Yuan called, "Scholar by a Waterfall." Have seen it also called, "Watching the Deer by a Pine Shaded Stream"

Maybe there is a connection for the other scenes on your bottle, and then again, I may be completely off with the guess for my bottle.

Hopefully this will help...

https://snuffbottlejournal.blogspot.com/2014/02/inside-painted-chinese-snuff-bottle-poem.html

7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with Ye Family bottle translation on: September 13, 2018, 08:57:18 pm
Nice one Rube !  Congrats Smiley

What ever that first character is you ask about is probably related to the season along with the second character.. Hopefully someone will help you with that..

Both scenes are indeed from Dream of the Red Chamber.. I searched for them, but not having any luck..
8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Rose Quartz or pink Agate? Whats the differance? on: September 12, 2018, 12:20:44 pm
Need pics...

9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Hexagognal Blue and White on: September 12, 2018, 02:41:51 am
I just read that the reason that the bottle has so much empty space, is that they were used as medicine bottles. The blank area was for a label.

Sound reasonable?

I agree that this could easily have been originally intended as a medicine bottle, but not as sure the blank panels on an hexagon bottle were used for labeling.. I believe only the four panel bottles were intended for labeling..
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Hexagognal Blue and White on: September 11, 2018, 11:49:11 pm
19th century Stew.. But not able to narrow it down for you as to early, mid or late..
11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Blue & White Enameled Bottle With Floral Medallion Pattern on: September 10, 2018, 12:44:41 am
Your request is a good challenge as it is difficult finding porcelain bottles decorated with medallions.

Here is an iron red and blue medallion decorated, Jingdezhen , 1800 - 1860

https://tinyurl.com/y83bqhwa





12  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Blue & White Enameled Bottle With Floral Medallion Pattern on: September 09, 2018, 09:55:28 am
Really nice bottle Charll..

Spent a little time searching for something similar, but no luck. Can not help with narrowing down a date for you..

I do have a question.. Would this have been fired a couple of times because of having both the blue and other enamel colors ?
13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 08, 2018, 03:30:52 pm
Dear George,
just to be precise.
There are no shallow concentric rings. That is part of the process of foot carving, it has not been well finished.
If there were concentric rings it would not be possible to have the underglaze reign mark.
Kind regards
Giovanni



Ah..., thank you Giovanni  Smiley
14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 08, 2018, 10:45:42 am
Wonderful bottle Stew..

Just for your records, the scene is that of a "dragon chasing the flaming pearl in the sky."

You can see a part of the shallow concentric rings under the applied glaze.
15  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Enamel Painted Bottles / Re: 2 enamel glass overlay bottles on: September 06, 2018, 09:10:14 pm
Late 20th century...   Very little if any value..
16  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: chinese id on: September 06, 2018, 01:45:56 pm
Hi George,

   I'm not sure I understand what you mean, old or new the calligraphy must say something or are you implying it is fake calligraphy and is therefore unreadable.

   Regards Jason.

Yes, the calligraphy does say something, I am just not able to translate it. Not that the calligraphy or even the bottle itself fake..
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: chinese id on: September 06, 2018, 04:50:40 am
Welcome to the forum jlafleur02

Pretty sure there have been no replies because the calligraphy, what ever it reads is pretty insignificant because of the bottle being a very new and common tourist bottle.

Sorry, but I am not able to translate it for you.
18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: In honor of Magpie Swooping Season beginning on: September 05, 2018, 11:38:38 pm
Love it !!
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Modern glass overlay bottles on: September 05, 2018, 10:11:15 am
I'm with Albert... Looks pretty new..

Pretty though..
20  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Second Nephrite Jade Bottle on: September 04, 2018, 08:45:05 pm


George,

What's the story on the flat sided bottle?  Fit into the Manchu riders boots?

Cheers,

Rube.

I do recall someone mentioning about the fitting into boots,  but I also think a lot about the shape is how perfect and comfortable it fits/feels in ones hand..
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