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Chinese Snuff Bottle Discussion Forum 中國鼻煙壺討論論壇
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1  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: June 23, 2017, 12:52:08 pm
Sounds like a great tradition... !   

The pic is very large and bottles are out of focus..

Best to resize next time..
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Same Artist? on: June 21, 2017, 10:06:02 pm
My vote is yes, or at least the same Yangzhou shop... Lets see what others think..

Does it have the same four character seal ?
3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with artists please. on: June 21, 2017, 08:04:53 pm
The bottle reminds me of the quartz bottles used by Gan Xuan, ca.1800-1830,
and other Early Period artists.
Best,
Joey

For your reference Adrian.. Joey makes a great point, and here is an article that includes quite a few Gan Xuan bottles to compare for you. It really is a very nice bottle..
http://www.e-yaji.com/books/articles/lingnan/index.html#2
4  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Guess Who is He on: June 21, 2017, 08:45:49 am
Amazing !!!
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with artists please. on: June 20, 2017, 02:34:27 pm
Both are wonderful Adrian..

I like the Zhang Baotian bottle the most.. Even with the minor condition issues..

Wang Simin is a new name for me..  Really nice paintings..

Congratulations on both !
6  The Gathering / Introductions / Re: A Recently Discovered Obsession... on: June 20, 2017, 02:22:52 pm
Warm welcome Daniel ..  Smiley

7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Batman and Robin on: June 18, 2017, 01:03:55 pm


So far, the proof just isn't there for me that this was made in the last 20-30 years. However, there is proof that statues of this kind were made earlier, and it makes sense to me that bottles would be commissioned to represent the sons of the dragon.

So on this point without more convincing proof, I cannot agree with you - and I don't consider buying him a mistake.


Not sure why you removed the pics of Robin, but by examining the carving maybe we can see some grinding/abrasive clues that will convince it carved Late 20th century.

8  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: HK Members Gathering - June 2017 on: June 18, 2017, 05:05:08 am
Excellent !
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Batman and Robin on: June 17, 2017, 10:30:15 pm


attached Pls find some modern bottles which has much better quality than what you have over there, If you want to commission some batman bottles I would love to connect you with the craftman.




 

I will remember this Steven.. I have another bottle being commissioned and thought real hard about finding an extra special bottle.. But turns out the quartz one being used is real nice..

But maybe next time..

The bottles you shared are stunning !

Been really educational following along here..   I can see how these are modern also Cathy.  Steven really went into great detailed, and valuable information..

Still beautiful pieces ! 
10  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: June 16, 2017, 11:34:48 pm
George's bottle is an imitation of a jar of rice wine

Some of the writing are :

1) 福兴老店...... Fu Xing Lao Dian, meaning an old shop with the name FuXing
2) 绍淅陳酒....... Old rice wine
3) 加重...... I am not too sure about this but it literally means weight is added... maybe it means the container has more wine.... which is really a good thing!

Pin

Now how cool is that !

19th Pin ?

11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Ye Zhongsan smokey rock crystal bottle. on: June 16, 2017, 11:33:27 pm
Way to go Brain !
12  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: June 16, 2017, 10:18:49 pm
So I tried to figure out Number 4 a little more and think it says:  Fú dian, Lao dian - the dian's appear to be two different ways to spell it - so my guess (probably really bad) is: "Good store, old store!"

Hahaha

Thanks for giving it a whirl Cathy !  Yes, I looked through the seals as well with no luck.

Joey, that is a really wonderful thought about the basket.. I will go for that ! 

13  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: June 16, 2017, 01:32:25 pm
Interesting bottle Adrian.. I know little about porcelain, but would have agreed this to be fairly modern..

Very interesting about the Sotheby's auction.. Do you have a link to that ?

Here is my Friday bottle..

It stands just 2" tall less the wood stopper wrapped in cloth and glued to the porcelain top with wood spoon. Decorated with a little green enamel..  Thin wall with wide mouth..

It would be fun to know if there is any meanings to any of the six seals if someone can make them out..
14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Ye Zhongsan smokey rock crystal bottle. on: June 16, 2017, 01:01:39 pm
Beautiful bottle Adrian , and congratulations !

I have not seen the first scene.. The woman and hat look European.. I will try to find..

The second scene I have seen before.. Again, will try to find..

15  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Batman and Robin on: June 15, 2017, 10:37:10 pm


Finally, I am sorry to be hogging the forum lately with all my posts - so I promise to stop hogging the board after this post and give others a chance to get a word in edgewise!



Your not hogging at all ... Your bottles are a real joy to see, and thrilled that you share them with us !

I can not answer your question about Robin... Hopefully someone can ..

Loving your bottles Cathy !
16  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Christmas in June! on: June 13, 2017, 12:12:03 pm


George,

I'm curious if you can describe in more detail or lead me somewhere which describes the process of the "iron brush" technique of carving by hand?  I have experience in wood carving, but is the process similar when carving in stone or glass?  Specifically, what is the type of chisel used, and does the carver go over a stroke once, or make several passes
to get the desired characters?  Aside from the good point about seeing the depth of the strokes on the ends of the lines
as to whether they're from a rotary tool or not, what are some other clues to look for?  By my untrained eye, my first conclusion when looking at this bottle is that the "overshoots" are done with a power tool.

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The overshoots are a good indicator that the incised mark was done with an iron brush/chisel and I have not seen overshoots like seen on Cathy's bottle done with use of power rotary tool.  They usually indicate that the carver sort of slipped out at the end of a push with the chisel.  I have not seen any pictures of a truly old iron brush.

Number of passes depend on hardness of material.

I like the book, The Brush The Stone by Christopher Randall..

Here are a few favored archived posts via the Facebook group called Collecting Antique Chinese Jade.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/319030194928738/permalink/335092969989127/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/319030194928738/permalink/424028427762247/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/319030194928738/permalink/424028424428914/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/319030194928738/permalink/476746555823767/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/319030194928738/permalink/476743779157378/

The same clues can be used on different minerals, and glass.
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Need Help with the Artist on: June 13, 2017, 11:53:11 am
Thanks Brian. Yeah, it is Liu Qiao's signature but not sure it is real or not. Also, I couldn't find any information about Liu Qiao.

Regards,

Ming

Here is a good topic Ming...
http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,3203.0.html
18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Enamel Painted Bottles / Re: The Mysterious Ku Yueh Hsuan on: June 13, 2017, 01:31:54 am
I have been saving as many verified signatures from both masters - these are also hard to find.






Here are some names.. But I am currently having a hard time making contact, learning about other student artists, viewing any signed bottles, or getting prices.  Although of course have seen many of You Fenghua's beautiful bottles in catalogues. 

Liu  Heping, Ye Aiping, You Fenghua and Sun Jianguo are Wang Xisan's students.

Liu Heping has moved to Tianjin City.
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Christmas in June! on: June 13, 2017, 01:24:10 am
You can see too where the mark overshoots or doesn't connect which makes me think it was not done with anything modern. Maybe our resident former lapidary expert (George) can help with determining what kind of tool made these marks?


Those overshoots are the biggest clue that the mark was done with an iron brush ... So pretty Early.

I think yes as well for the height of your bottle being a match for Beijing glass shops. 
20  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Views on banded agate bottle on: June 12, 2017, 08:56:10 pm
Somehow... I feel that the band (Jade belt) on this bottle is heavily enhanced or painted... 

Never see any banded strip that is so white and opaque before...

Pin

I thought the same Pin with this bottle.. As with a few others that have been shared on forum, including others with white cameos. Most do not seem natural to me. An article from within Snuff Bottle Review, vol 2, no 1, 1976, among the ones on the way to Pat, is an article, Chinese Snuff Bottles and the Great Exhibition of 1851.

A snippet from the article... 

"Agate snuff bottles were more frequently made by the lapidaries of Oberstein, Prussia than by Chinese workers. Oberstein snuff bottles were displayed and sold at the Great Exhibition of 1851. The zonal structure of agate and the color can be altered and accentuated by staining and by heat processes. These processes were used by the Oberstein lapidaries and similar techniques were also known to, and were used by the Romans. They used the process to accentuate the color contrasts when carving cameos. Similar methods of staining and treating agates may also have been known to the Chinese lapidaries. On bottle in the authors collection has an obviously stained yellow orange band running across the middle of the bottle. I therefore decided to try and find out more about the types of snuff bottles that were said to have been exhibited and sold at the exhibition".   
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