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1  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Agate floater. on: October 07, 2018, 06:18:10 am
Dear Inn Bok,
the contrast between the two colors of your nice bottle is impressive!
How would you date it?
Kind regards
Giovanni
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: BW bottle, strange figure on: October 02, 2018, 02:24:47 am
Dear George,
what he has in his hands? He could be Kui Xing, God of the examinations, who is associated to the God of literature Wen Chang.
Usually he is represented over a dragon, and holding a brush in one hand and a box, or book, in the other hand. He is often represented with an ugly face and body.
Often, in the scene there is also a constellation, where he lives.
Here he is on a small brushpot of mine.
Kind regards
Giovanni
3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: BW bottle, strange figure on: October 01, 2018, 04:49:07 pm
Thank you dear George. I do not see clearly the acrobat on your bottle. Is him walking on water?
I am not sure of course, but the decoration on my bottle is so strange that I suppose that both scenes are related.
Kind regards
Giovanni
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / BW bottle, strange figure on: October 01, 2018, 02:55:07 am
Dear all,
I found this snuff bottle, 61 mm high.
I found the decoration strange, I think that it is representing something, some personage or story, which I don’t know. Especially the figure who seems walking on water, with a strange headpiece.
Do you have some suggestion?
Thank you in advance.
Kind regards
Giovanni
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Beware with false peachbloom glazed bottles on: September 25, 2018, 09:36:54 am
Dear Rube,
it is very easy. I have not seen a peachbloom glazed bottle, if they exist.
Look at the last picture that I have shown, the bottle on the right side, which has the base glazed. You can see that the pink is only in the cracks, the glaze has no color, it is white.
Peachbloom glaze is a colored glaze, then you should see all the base pinkish, not only the cracks.
Peachbloom glaze can vary a lot in color. If you google for “peachbloom vase”, you will see real peachbloom glazes, and you will see how different it can be.
Instead, I did google for “peachbloom snuff bottle” and I have found any. Almost all are pink stained, or red glazed bottles.
Kind regards
Giovanni
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with YST bottle translation on: September 19, 2018, 03:54:12 am
Thank you dear Joey for those tips.
Kind regards
Giovanni
7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Beware with false peachbloom glazed bottles on: September 18, 2018, 02:33:24 am
Dear Ileney,
that bottle is a new one, while the one that I posted is an old nice bottle, pity of the “make up”.
I am posting here a side by side comparison. You can see the better shape, better potting, and the old base and paste.
The description made by the seller is off.
He says: “Pink Crackled Glazed over a white background”.
The correct definition should be: “White crackled glaze, pink stained”. (Actually the glaze is transparent, but it is usually called white glaze because of the white porcelain behind it.)
He also says: “raised and glazed foot rim”. That is not true, the foot rim is not glazed as usual, as you see by its matt surface.
About these stained bottles, what I do not know is if there is a way to totally eliminate that penetrant dye, may be by heating it. That could be interesting. In fact, if I knew how to go back to the original state I would have been interested in purchasing that bottle.
Dear Rube, yeas, you are correct. Since I knew the typical appearance of that penetrant dye on porcelain, having seen it many times in my previous job, I recognized it immediately. But without that experience, the fact that the pink can bee seen on the unglazed foot is clearly telling us that it has nothing to do with the glaze.
Kind regards
Giovanni
8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Blue & White Enameled Bottle With Floral Medallion Pattern on: September 10, 2018, 05:55:30 am
Dear George, all,
it would be extremely interesting to ask Christie's why that bottle is believed Imperial.
Ridiculous is the least that I can say.
Kind regards
Giovanni
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Blue & White Enameled Bottle With Floral Medallion Pattern on: September 09, 2018, 05:34:43 am
Dear Charll,
what a nice bottle, thank you for sharing.
It is impressive that it has the exact same pattern of Joey’s bottle, the roundels are placed in the same scheme.
I believe that you are correct with the dating. I have not seen these roundels on vases after Tongzhi.
Kind regards
Giovanni
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 08, 2018, 12:58:48 pm
Dear George,
just to be precise.
There are no shallow concentric rings. That is part of the process of foot carving, it has not been well finished.
If there were concentric rings it would not be possible to have the underglaze reign mark.
Kind regards
Giovanni

11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 08, 2018, 08:27:48 am
Dear all,
thanks to the new set of pictures it is clear now that the scales are cross harched. I agree with Charll and Joey then , it must be a second half of 19th C - Guangxu bottle, though with a strange face. Nice bottle indeed.
Kind regards
Giovanni
 
12  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 07, 2018, 05:37:31 am
Dear Stew,
it seems that you have a great bottle there, but the pictures are not sharp enough (are you using the phone perhaps?). I can’t understand if the scales of the dragon are cross hatched or drawn individually with curved lines.
That dragon is not a common one, the face is not that of the typical Guangxu dragons.
I do not know exactly what this means, perhaps it has some Qianlong features.
Sharpest pictures would help and I am eager to hear Charll’s opinion here, he has much more experience than myself on dragons bottles.
Kind regards
Giovanni
13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: In honor of Magpie Swooping Season beginning on: September 06, 2018, 04:23:50 pm
Dear Brian,
I have the same bottle. Not only that, I have also a Yixing teapot with the same decoration. Here you see them. The only difference is that the base of my bottle is green glazed while your one is white glazed.
Dear Joey, you are right, the Australian one is not the magpie as we know it. The Australian magpie is even not of the same family of the Eurasian magpie.
The real magpie, I mean the magpie for the Chinese, is the same bird that we see here in Europe, the Pica Pica to be precise, and it is not a swooping bird. It is the cleverest of our birds. I know that because one of my past hobbies was naturalist photography and I have seen incredible things about magpies, they are really clever.
Kind regards
Giovanni
14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Beware with false peachbloom glazed bottles on: September 06, 2018, 04:00:37 pm
Thank you dear Joey and Rick.
Dear Jason, do you mean that you would have bought it knowing that it has been artificially “improved”, read “destroyed”?
It sounds really strange to me. Although sure of being it an old bottle, I would not buy it even if not treated with the penetrating color, simply because the crackle is not natural, at least not that intended by the artisan who made the bottle.
Kind regards
Giovanni
15  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Beware with false peachbloom glazed bottles on: September 05, 2018, 04:48:27 pm
Dear all,
since Joey mentioned in a recent thread how dangerous are the thermal shocks for hard materials like porcelain and glass, I take the opportunity to alert about a particular type of crackled snuff bottles, something that I think I have already mentioned before.
Look at the pictures below. That bottle has been sold on ebay recently, and it was described as being “peachbloom glazed”. It is a false peachbloom bottle.
Peachbloom glaze is a particular type of glaze that has been developed during the Kangxi period. It is rare, and the production process is difficult, hence the result is very variable.
Now, if you look at that bottle and compare it with a real peachbloom Kangxi item, you will see that the appearance is completely different.
Besides that, and most important, if you look carefully you will see that the pink color is not in the glaze, but only in the cracks of the glaze. That is very easy to obtain.
If you take a white bottle and you heat it at high temperature, let say 600 degrees Celsius, and then you put it into water, the thermal shock will generate a net of minute crackles like those seen on that bottle.
After that, you spray over the bottle a special liquid, called Penetrant or Dye penetrant liquid, which usually has that particular type of pink. That liquid is extremely fluid and its purpose is for inspection of crackles or fissures in the industry of mechanical and ceramic parts. Being extremely fluid, it is absorbed by the cracks; then you wipe off the liquid from the surface of the piece, and in that way you will see the cracks which are evidenced by the color of the liquid.
In my previous job we did this test many times on ceramic insulators. It is a pity that I do not have pictures of the pieces, because you would see that the appearance is identical to that of the bottle.
I know that because of my previous experience, as said; but you can verify that I am right by looking at the base of the bottle. As you see, there are the pink colored cracks on the unglazed base too, meaning with all evidence that the color is not in the glaze.
Hence that bottle is not peachbloom glazed, it is a fake peachbloom bottle. Beware if you are tempted to bid on such bottles.
Frankly I was tempted to bid on that bottle, because by the picture of the base the bottle is an old one, but I didn’t because it is hard to remove that purposely made false color. It is a pity, the bottle was a nice one but the seller destroyed it in the tentative of getting more money from it. 
Beware.
Kind regards
Giovanni
16  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: White Jade bottle on: September 02, 2018, 04:40:03 am
Dear Stew, are you referring to the outer surface? If yes, it should be perfectly smooth.
Anyway, my feeling is that your bottle is not modern.
Kind regards
Giovanni
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: White Jade bottle on: September 01, 2018, 02:15:09 am
Dear Joey,
Stew was referring to the specific weight when he said “superior”.
Dear all, I do not rely too much on specific gravity tests, because we are talking about little things, hence the test, to be reliable, must be VERY accurate. I am not referring to Stew, I am saying this in general. I doubt that everyone can do a reliable test.
Dear Stew, if the thickness of the wall is constant, that is a very good sign. To me the constancy of the thickness is more important than its size. Not all old bottles have a very thin wall, there are bottles superbly carved, following exactly the shape of the bottle, and very well polished, which thickness is not very thin.
I am more worried about the outer surface. Is it really rough as it seems to be in that light spot? I suspect that it could be something strange in the picture.
Kind regards
Giovanni
18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Underglazed Blue and copper motif? on: September 01, 2018, 02:00:22 am
Dear Stew,
I am sure that the yellowish spot is not intentional. It is absolutely common to have those yellowish, greenish or brownish spots in underglaze copper red ware.
If there is only that spot, it means that your bottle is a well fired one.
Kind regards
Giovanni
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Underglazed Blue and copper motif? on: August 31, 2018, 01:53:36 pm
Dear Stew,
a nice bottle and surely old.
The yellowish spot is not the only one. There are other points within the red glaze with yellowish - greenish hoe.
That is normal in underglaze copper red ware, because it is difficult to fire it correctly. It is typical, I would say.
Kind regards
Giovanni
20  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help needed in identifying these bottles pls. on: August 28, 2018, 02:31:10 pm
Hello,
I am, not expert on inside painted bottles, but the one with the birds is a Yan Yutian bottle.
Regards
Giovanni
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