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1  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Wang Ru Ting on: August 20, 2017, 03:19:03 am
I have several of these in overlay and some in all clear glass. They are listed and shown on Bill's site in he overlay section
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Ye bottle? on: August 16, 2017, 05:25:51 am
Rube

Well, that creates an enigma.  If Pin was correct on the date, then it has to either 1889 or 1949.  I can not read the date well, but it indeed looks like Yi Si (1929) instead of Yi Chou (1889).   But 1889 is very early for Ye to produce this type of bottle, and so well executed.   Another Chinese reading member to confirm for us, but yes, 1929 seems right to me.
3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Rattan or Sea Amber? on: August 16, 2017, 05:20:41 am
Agree that this is probably some wood root.   
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Ye bottle? on: August 16, 2017, 05:06:48 am
Hi Rube

Definitely NOT 1889.  Ye the elder had just started painting at that time, and I doubt he could produce this at that time (not in terms of skills, but he was still following Zhou Le Yuan style and had not yet developed his distinctive style like this.   

Furthermore, Chinese cyclical dates run in 60 years, so this would be a 1949 bottle, and by one of the surviving sons.  The bottle style is also not from the late 1880s. This style became popular later.  BUT - A beautiful bottle!! 


Hope this helps!
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: An agate bottle from Australia on: August 07, 2017, 10:34:56 pm
 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Tongue
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Opinion please on two interesting bottles on: August 01, 2017, 12:53:08 am
Hi Frank,

They appear to be man-made crystal, which would date them late 60s/70s earliest, which is also the first time this shape appears again, after not being used since 1910s.  I have two wheel cut antique rock crystal bottles of this shape... 
7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Hornbill bottle on: July 16, 2017, 10:52:47 pm
Haha .. Sorry Pin!!!  I guess I was not awake..  Need more coffee.  Thanks for correcting me Samson!
8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Hornbill bottle on: July 16, 2017, 09:52:27 pm
Agree with Pin.  Probably dyed bone, but it may very well be resin....
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Modern glass overlay bottles on: July 04, 2017, 03:17:39 am
Agreed Luke!

Hi Rube

I actually am in agreement with Joey that this older (late 189x, early 19xx).  I seem to recall a similar one in the Ko Collection, but not 100 pct sure.  For your info, I have a dozen or so similar shaped inside painted Shandong bottles from 1895-1910. 
10  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: July 04, 2017, 03:14:57 am
Hi Luke

Of course fully agree, as in my reply to Joey.  I am hoping that Joey will light some fire and urgency under someone's feet here.   The online version of the journals is something great, but I wish they would make them available under PDF format, so they are more 'viewable' for us older folk  Grin Tongue
11  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: July 04, 2017, 03:01:19 am
Luke

Thanks for your personal input, but if you don't mind me saying 'journals now and then' (like was the case with me) is frankly totally unacceptable.   So I guess that now makes 4 of us ...

And copying Berthe, while it seemed to help, totally defeats the purpose.  If every time we have to copy the GM, 'Head of', CEO, or whomever, there is a problem.  Sorry to vent, but I have been very frustrated with them....
12  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: July 04, 2017, 12:47:25 am
Hmmmm....Thanks for your post Curt!  Hope all is well otherwise.

This is now 3 people with problems in a community of say 15 active participants, of which 10 or so are longer term ICSBS members.   Not good statistics, at all, and terrible for reputation!   Looks to me like the ICSBS has some major issues to deal with, or kind of ignores its (new) non-US member base.


13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Shandong bottle on: June 27, 2017, 01:01:03 am
Nah... I think same.. just unskilled/untrained at that time.... 

For me the evolution and level of complexity was Changbai Shanren --> Le San --> Xing Ting --> Bi Rongjiu

The other things to consider:

a. 1895
b. 2 Shandong Artists at that time?  Not likely, where Bi Rongjiu (real name) is widely accepted as the founder of the Shandong School/movement, and Le San is a pen name (and remains an unknown)
c. the oldest dated Le San bottle is 1893, oldest known dated Bi Rongjiu bottle 1895, this would make Le San precede Bi Rongjiu (highly unlikely)

14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Shandong bottle on: June 26, 2017, 11:14:52 pm
Purely by accident, found out some more compelling proof that Le San and Bi Rongjiu are actually the same person, and not contemporaries.  Have a look at  these double bottles both dated 1895, one signed Bi Rongjiu, the other Le San.

Look at painting style and calligraphy style, indistinguishable, in my view...

Bi Rongjiu = Xing Ting = Le San in early formative years = Green Bamboo studio (Chang Bai San Ren)
15  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: June 22, 2017, 10:17:42 pm
Thanks Joey. 

I will have a look which one I am missing.   If I could be assured this doesn't happen again, I would rejoin, because I like the journals... and one day will join a event.   I forgot to mention, I did interact with Virginia, and then got radio silence, maybe because she left... not sure.

At the time I was using my IBM office address, and had almost perfect scorecard in receiving items, as there was always someone to 'receive' or 'sign for'.

Appreciate your help as always. 
16  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: June 22, 2017, 08:25:15 pm
Joey

Yes, I mis-wrote, you are right.   But since I never even got a complete year's worth of journals, I kind of remembered the old rhythm... I paid up dues for 2015, I recall. 
17  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: June 22, 2017, 02:02:39 am
Cathy

I have a LOT of duplicate journals that I have accumulated over the years.  Let me have a look what I have.  Maybe we can do an exchange for something.. like the Chen Zhongsan we discussed a while ago.  If you still have it please keep it for a possible exchange.  Many of what I have double you would have a rough time finding in the market, I think.  I bought 4-5 large collections to get where I am today.
18  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: June 22, 2017, 01:21:40 am
Cathy

That's strange, but if it makes you feel any better, I was a member for a year, only received only 1 of the periodicals, and after repeated requests (almost pleading or begging) was ever sent 1 of the 2 missing ones, had my further requests completely ignored, and then NEVER received a subscription renewal . Needless to say, I was significantly less than impressed. 

And I am not exactly a beginner collector, I have been at this since 1999, and avoided membership forever because of the elitist attitude until Joey joined here, and then gave it a shot, with the results above.   

This in a public forum, so I hope someone at ICSBS is reading this.  Customer service needs to be DRAMATICALLY improved.
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Same Artist? on: June 21, 2017, 10:32:42 pm
Well, at first glance yes, but then I realized it is actually an easy scene to replicate, so I am not sure.  This is a later copy in my view.
20  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Guess Who is He on: June 20, 2017, 10:27:10 pm
Wow.... any idea of the cost of these?   Thank for sharing Pin!
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