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1  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Blue glass inside painted table top snuff bottle. Eight Immortals motif on: May 19, 2018, 04:07:23 pm
Dear Thomas,

    Brushes were introduced to painting inside bottles in the early Modern period [post 1940s at earliest.].

    The Early and Middle Period bottles were always done with a splint of bamboo, the tip shaved to a point, heated and bent to a 90o angle. They also used a second type, a splint of bamboo, with a horsehair wrapped around and around, to resemble a sponge.

    The native Chinese members can translate the Chinese inscription.
Best,
Joey
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Blue glass inside painted table top snuff bottle. Eight Immortals motif on: May 19, 2018, 11:33:12 am
Dear Thomas,

     Again, a warm welcome to the Forum!
I think the bottle is by Yan Yutian, though I did not see his signature.
But I know he used to do such large bottles, in blue glass, clear glass or even transparent amber glass, in addition to the 'regular' sized ones [50 - 70 mm tall].
Yan Yutian painted from ca. 1888 - 1918 in Beijing, and got his start imitating one of the great masters, Zhou Leyuan. At the start he even signed his bottles with ZLY's signature, but usually with his own red seal [often 'Yutian'].

Best,
Joey
3  The Gathering / Introductions / Re: Hello from Wales on: May 19, 2018, 11:23:25 am
Dear Thomas,

     Now I'm happy to welcome you to the Forum. Where do you live in Wales?
I have friends in Newport, and indeed, one of them, Vaughan, was on the Forum for a while!
I live in Jerusalem Israel most of the year, but have a summer place in County Wexford Ireland.

    How old are you, and have you got any books on snuff bottles yet?
If you get to London, there are snuff bottles on display in the British Museum and in the Victoria and Albert Museum. I am not sure if there are any on display in Wales, but believe there are some on display in Manchester.
There are also snuff bottles for sale in London, and examples can be found all over the UK.

   Good Luck,
Joey

   

   
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Blue glass inside painted table top snuff bottle. Eight Immortals motif on: May 19, 2018, 01:01:42 am
Thomas,

     Rube is partially correct: I would not check out your bottle until all photos are resized; but I still won't, till you follow the rules of this Forum. They aren't hard and they aren't complicated.
1. Introduce yourself in the Introductions section, so we know with whom we are dealing.
2. Then, welcome to the Forum.

Joey


Hi Thomas,
Welcome to the Forum!
Regarding the bottle you posted, can you resize the photos so they’re not so big?
It’s hard to really see the image when you have to scroll through it, and you’ll probably get better feedback when the image is reformatted.

Cheers,
Rube
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Chen ShaoFu bottle. on: May 16, 2018, 05:23:27 pm
Dear Adrian et al,

     I also thought it was really quiet. I will ask Clare to send me the photographs she did of all my antique IPSBs etc., and post some.
 
     I have 2 Chen Shaofu bottles, one a landscape, and I'm sorry - I don't see any resemblance to the brush spirit of Yan Yutian.
Best,
Joey
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: A root amber bottle on: May 09, 2018, 01:57:10 pm
Dear Giovanni,

      I thought you'd like my late mom's saying.
She had a lot of sayings like that.
Best,
Joey
7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: A root amber bottle on: May 08, 2018, 05:42:09 pm
Dear Giovanni,

    My late mom would say, "Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ!".
The question is, which are we?  Roll Eyes Shocked Grin

Best,
Joey
8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: A root amber bottle on: May 08, 2018, 03:21:30 am
Dear Samson,

      As you know, I saw this bottle in your home in Mongkok, Hong Kong last week, and told you I gave it a ca.1780-1830 dating.
One thing about the photos - you need to add a face-forward photo of the taotie, for people to be able to judge the quality of the carving, which I quite liked, though it is not first rank quality.
I have a feeling that was the gentle suggestion by Giovanni, re.  "...and for what we can see in the pictures..." Roll Eyes Shocked Grin
    And thank you again for our expedition via Star Ferry and walking to and from the Manchurian Chinese restaurant. I really enjoyed the day.
    Best,
Joey
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisonne Bottle on: April 30, 2018, 05:25:14 am
Dear Kaja,

    Genuine antique SBs are still out there. Don't give up hope (though it doesn't sound like you are  Roll Eyes Grin)....

     Just a couple of years ago, I was visiting a dear friend, Rick, in New Orleans. He had alerted me to the fact that a late 18th C. Fruit form Spinach green Nephrite Jade with a coral stem stopper, had been  'bought in' at a local auction only a few days prior to my visit, and could be had for under US$1,000 (US$800 hammer price, plus the auction's 10-15% commission, and the State's tax on the commission).

    Proving the adage that no good deed goes unpunished, I dragged poor Rick 6 or 7 blocks in the muggy hot N.O. Afternoon, past these scruffy street people, to go to the  auction house to buy it IMMEDIATELY! I have it and am very happy with it,

Best,
Joey
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: famille rose porcelain on: April 29, 2018, 08:54:34 am
Dear Rube,

   Please ask Giovanni. He's better at porcelains than I.
Best,
Joey
11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisonne Bottle on: April 29, 2018, 08:47:26 am
Dear Kaja,

   I agree with Rube.
Best,
Joey
12  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Easter Bunny Realgar Glass Bottle on: April 15, 2018, 03:42:17 pm
Dear Adrian,

      You could well be correct. On both counts.
Best,
Joey
13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Easter Bunny Realgar Glass Bottle on: April 14, 2018, 01:08:16 pm
Dear Adrian,

      What you write is very interesting, and may even be true, though as a rule I take most things from that site with a grain of salt [or a lot more salt].

      But what was the reason for the small mouths? I have no answer, and think that they would be very hard to fill with snuff.  I have an antique ivory snuff funnel I got as a gift from Belle Schoen, the late Martin Schoen's daughter. It would fit into a mouth 5 mm or larger, but not one smaller than that.
Best,
Joey


Dear Joey,

I read from the e-yaji site that these very small openings, 5mm and less, are sometimes termed "stick incense" mouths and may have become fashionable around the mid Qianlong period when bottles started to be very well hollowed through increasingly narrow mouths which sits with an 18th Century dating and would seem logical.

I have also read that the much larger mouth openings allowed leaves from herbs to be left in bottles overnight to impart some flavour to the snuff.

Regards, Adrian.
14  General Category / General Forum Information and Guides / Re: HAPPY PASSOVER & HAPPY EASTER ! on: April 11, 2018, 03:38:53 pm
You are right, Ilene.
I am blessed by and with very good friends.
Thank G-D.
Best,
Joey
15  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Easter Bunny Realgar Glass Bottle on: April 10, 2018, 09:00:29 pm
Dear Adrian,

      Luke is 100% correct - it can be a sign of an old bottle, but is one of many.
There is no reason that a bottle with a small opening can not be 18th C.
Many of the better Nephrite Jade bottles from ca. 1760-1800 have very small openings, while some have very wide ones.

    I bought a milk glass SB with orange inclusions from Rick on the Forum, back in 1986. It was from the Bob Stevens collection, and the thickness of the wall of the mouth was that of the glass wall. But I had other 18th C. Glass examples from the Arthur Gadsbie collection, with tiny openings.
Best,
Joey
16  General Category / General Forum Information and Guides / Re: HAPPY PASSOVER & HAPPY EASTER ! on: April 10, 2018, 08:44:57 pm
Yes, we have 7 days, as a rule. But this year, Passover ended with the beginning of Sabbath (Fri. Night), so it was not possible to change the kitchen back to regular for most Jews.
But my best friend, an Israeli Moslem, took me to his home for a meal with bread, and dropped me off a meal the next day for lunch.
Joey
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Easter Bunny Realgar Glass Bottle on: April 07, 2018, 04:00:01 am
Dear Adrian,

      You do realise, don't you, that the type of Realgar glass you just posted, is the earliest and rarest type of this genre? And among the finest.

      These bottles are the ones that serious collectors always went after, and were valuable [UK£500 - 1,000 (US$1,200 - 2,000)] even when regular Realgar glass bottles were cheap [UK£50 - 100 (US$125 - 250)].

     I was taught to date these ca. 1730 - 1770. 
    CONGRATULATIONS.   

Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Agate carved with Peacock and dog. on: April 02, 2018, 01:55:41 pm
Dear Adrian,
 
     Tom L. is the expert on hardstone bottles, not me; but I think the bottle could be old, and the carving more recent. But very well done.
Best,
Joey
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Easter Bunny Realgar Glass Bottle on: April 02, 2018, 01:52:43 pm
Dear Rube,

     Beautiful Realgar glass bottle. Yup, I saw the bunnie too.
Best,
Joey
20  General Category / General Forum Information and Guides / Re: HAPPY PASSOVER & HAPPY EASTER ! on: April 01, 2018, 01:27:05 pm
Dear Giovanni,

    As far as I know, there are only 6 replies.
But I posted the exact same message in another location.
Best,
Joey
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