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1  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with YST bottle translation on: September 18, 2018, 09:24:43 am
Dear Rube,
 
     My pleasure.

    YF Yang of blessed memory always helped me with my stoppering, so I am just passing on his 'mitzva' [good deed]; and he even taught me how to fit corks [they used to be tapered; a tapered cork only 'grasps' at the top; a cylindrical cork 'grasps' along its whole length]. If someone picks up a bottle by the stopper {NOT recommended, but done, especially by non-collectors; I warn any friends or family beforehand ONLY to pick up by the bottle}

 He taught me to match the narrow end to the opening, and sand down the wider end till the cork was cylindrical and not tapered;  .].
As well, he taught me to use a large safety pin to make the hole for the spoon, and push it through only half way, and then push it through from the other direction all the way; that way, one doesn't break off a piece at one end of the spoon-hole.
Best,
Joey
2  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Galerie Zacke Auction. on: September 17, 2018, 03:11:09 am
Dear Brian,
 
    You need to ask the specific auction house.
Most serious dealers remove the spoon if there is a question today.
I bought a superb 18th C. B&W snuff jarlet with an original ivory snuff scoop, and a coral stopper with green-stained walrus ivory collar and 'cork', from Clare Chu. She sold it without the stopper, but I asked for and received the stopper in LA at her home, and brought it to Ireland. It would have been a crime to destroy it.

Best,
Joey
Some auctions confiscate and destroy CITES materials.
Check BEFORE, so you are not surprised afterward.
Best,
Joey
3  General Category / General Forum Information and Guides / Re: 'FORUM MEMBERS' DINNER IN BALTIMORE DURING CONVENTION, 23-27.OCT. on: September 15, 2018, 07:06:24 pm
Dear Jo,
 
     Last year, a week-10 days before the London Convention, I had the same problem in County Wexford. Bev Simpson had been scheduled to come visit for a few days, and then fly with me to London. In the end, there was little damage, but no power for 5 days, and we had to cancel the trip to Ireland.
Best,
Joey
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with YST bottle translation on: September 14, 2018, 02:44:40 pm
Dear Rube,

     Is it your brother's? If so, ask him if he would like a better stopper.
If he would, send me the info, and I'll get a few stoppers and a cork organised and bring to Baltimore.
Best,
Joey
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with Ye Family bottle translation on: September 14, 2018, 05:14:23 am
Dear Rube,

    Another beautiful example.
Wonderful.
Best,
Joey
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with YST bottle translation on: September 14, 2018, 05:12:56 am
Dear Rube,
 
     This is another IPSB that needs a better stopper and no spoon.
Please send me the same measurements for this one, and the colouring/material you'd like, and I'll go through my stoppers box again.
Best,
Joey
7  General Category / General Forum Information and Guides / Re: 'FORUM MEMBERS' DINNER IN BALTIMORE DURING CONVENTION, 23-27.OCT. on: September 14, 2018, 05:07:11 am
Dear Samson,

      May G-D Protect you and yours.

Dear Jo & David,
 
     I loved my visit to your beautiful state and beautiful home. I look forward to seeing you both, and Charll & Donna Stoneman, and meeting Rube and his brother, in a few weeks time.

Dear Rube,

    Hurricanes, cyclones, and typhoons are all the same weather phenomenon. The name is based on the location.

Best to all,
Joey
8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Help with translation on: September 14, 2018, 05:01:15 am
Dear Rube,

     These were made very cheaply, by Michael Kaynes-Klitz, who founded the HK CSBS.
He tried to outflank the ICSBS, but his was a for-profit.
     Doubtful Liu Shouben painted it.
Best,
Joey
9  General Category / General Forum Information and Guides / Re: 'FORUM MEMBERS' DINNER IN BALTIMORE DURING CONVENTION, 23-27.OCT. on: September 12, 2018, 01:07:31 am
Dear Jo,

   Here in Jerusalem we have been celebrating Rosh HaShana since 09.Sept.
I did not know about your hurricane [I still haven't seen anything about it, except Rube's message and your response; I will google it.].

May G-D Protect you and all others like you in your area, and your property.
Best,
Joey
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Second Nephrite Jade Bottle on: September 10, 2018, 10:42:11 am
Dear Stew,

      Check Japanese and S. Korean, as well as Chinese craftsmen.
Good luck. And if you find a good craftsman, please let me know.
I had an Emerald Green Jadeite snuff dish, a gift from the late John Ault z"l,
repaired this way, and it was brilliant.
Best,
Joey
11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Blue & White Enameled Bottle With Floral Medallion Pattern on: September 10, 2018, 10:38:16 am
Dear Charll,
 
      My bottle, which you posted above, with a picture of your bottle transposed, is
ca. 1853-1858. Why do you think yours is Daoguang?

      It was made in the Imperial Porcelain Works in Jingdezhen, and inscribed during the Taiping occupation of Jingdezhen, ca.1853, after they wrested control from the government forces of the Xianfeng Emperor, but before Jingdezhen was totally destroyed and its population enslaved and exiled, or simply murdered by the Taiping, when they  were forced out by the triumphant government forces in 1855-1858.

      The sources I consulted were not clear when the Taiping were actually forced to abandon Jingdezhen, though they were VERY clear about the death and destruction these criminals sowed there.

    It then took 7-10 years to rebuild and repopulate Jingdezhen with craftsmen and their families, and restore [limited] production, both Imperial and civilian.

Best,
Joey

   
12  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 08, 2018, 04:54:50 pm
Dear George,

   As well as Giovanni's correct points, I've not seen a bottle with glaze over the shallow concentric rings. Bottles with such a detail tend to have an unglazed foot, in my experience.
Charll, have you seen any with glaze over the rings?
Best,
Joey
13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 08, 2018, 03:29:32 am
Dear Stew,

     I'm not as good as Giovanni & Charll at details WHY it is first part [ca.1800-1855] or second part [ca.1865-1908] of the 19th C., plus end of Guangxu reign.

     The gap of 10 years [ca.1855-1865] is due to the Taiping destruction of Jingdezhen ca.1855 and its rebuilding and repopulation ca.1865. The Taiping murderers not only destroyed the site and all installations [kilns, workshops, etc.] , they enslaved those who could be worked and murdered the rest. Like 'good' totalitarians everywhere [Communists, Nazis, ISIS, etc...].

    But it looks very good, from the still too fuzzy photos. I'd like a clean set of photos, ideally.

    I am in the strange [for me!  Roll Eyes Grin] position of not having my SB literature here in my new place yet; not even a copy of "Dragon" ["In Search of a Dragon", Robert Kleiner, 2007].

    Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey

   
14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Underglazed Blue and copper motif? on: September 07, 2018, 09:17:02 pm
Dear Brian,
 
      That stopper, while wonderful, is NOT Coral & [Elephant] Ivory; it is Coral and Walrus Ivory. Because most people are more familiar with Elephant Ivory, it is best to add 'Walrus' to your description.

      Best,
Joey


Some of these bottles were fitted with mediocre stoppers. I doubt that they were the originals. There is an antique show coming to Hong Kong at the end of the month. Some is usually there selling caps so, maybe I'll do a bit of shopping.
Stew,

I'd love to see what you end up with.

I actually have a very similar bottle with an ivory and coral stopper. I think it's a great combo. I'm not biased or anything though.  Grin

Brian
15  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Beware with false peachbloom glazed bottles on: September 07, 2018, 09:13:52 pm
Dear Giovanni,

    DITTO! [A "Blazing Saddles" reference, since I had nothing better to contribute!],
Best,
Joey


Dear Giovanni-

Thank you for such a clear and informative post about what some sellers term "peach bloom" bottles.  Your explanation of the manufacture of pink crackle porcelain bottles was certainly up to your usual standard.  Your knowledge of and experience with Chinese porcelains in general is an asset to all collectors.

Many thanks,
Rick
16  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Dragon - Mark is Yongzheng .... maybe? on: September 07, 2018, 09:12:17 pm
Dear Stew,

     Your title is misleading.
Are you asking if this mark is a Yongzheng mark?
Incidentally, it does NOT say "Yongzheng 1723-1735"; it reads "Da Qing Yongzheng Nianzhi" ["Great Qing {Dynasty} Yongzheng Period Made"].
Yes, it is a Yongzheng reign mark.

    Is it a GENUINE Yongzheng reign mark  from the Yongzheng reign?
99% that it is 19th C.
Yongzheng period reign marked SBs recognised as genuine, are VERY rare. I am blessed to have one of the few.

    I personally think that there are more out there than are acknowledged, and Giovanni is right that the photo of the mark is too blurred to really tell.

And he is also correct that the bottle looks to be a beauty, which I'd love to own.
And I have over 30 Dragon subject B & W Underglazed Porcelain SBs, among my over 160 B & Ws...  Roll Eyes Grin

Best,
Joey
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: In honor of Magpie Swooping Season beginning on: September 07, 2018, 08:54:22 pm
Dear Brian,

     Thankfully, the Australian Magpie is limited to Australia.

     The 'Chinese' Magpie, as you describe it, is actually, simply 'the Magpie', and common from Ireland in the West, to Japan in the East, across the whole Euro-Asian landmass.
Best,
Joey
18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Second Nephrite Jade Bottle on: September 07, 2018, 08:49:59 pm
Stew,

    When I saw your bottle, after reading the description, I said, "SH*T! What a great bottle. Damned shame that it is damaged. I would date it 1780-1850, and say it is a beautiful example I'd be proud to own, if it was not damaged.

    And unlike Albert, who has zero Jade SBs [sorry, Albert] , I have over 80! And at least 50 of mine are Palace Workshops or Imperial Court tribute. I think this one is also Palace Workshops in origin.

    I have had damaged bottles repaired with gold lacquer. It is an East Asian conceit of accentuating the existence of the damage, and basically flaunting it, as a way of portraying love of the object, its history, its beauty and its provenance; its damage notwithstanding.

    It is traditionally used to repair B & W Porcelain, but I've used it to great success with a shadow agate I own, etc. I think it would work with white nephrite jade, as well.

    Best,
Joey


19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Agate floater. on: September 06, 2018, 09:37:30 am
Dear Albert,

     We sometimes need to remember that this is a hobby.
We have lives, in addition.
Best,
Joey
20  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: In honor of Magpie Swooping Season beginning on: September 06, 2018, 09:33:59 am
In Ireland,  there are beaucoup magpies, and I've never heard of any attacking anyone. They must have imported aggressive 'convict' magpies to Oz...  Roll Eyes Shocked Grin
Best,
Joey
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