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1  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: December 14, 2017, 11:27:49 am
Dear Inn Bok,

  The photo is not clear enough, but I wondered if those were not feet, and it was turtle.
Best,
Joey
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Large cinnabar lacquer bottle. on: December 13, 2017, 09:30:38 am
Dear Adrian,

    Does the prohibition on more than 36 layers say what type of lacquer was restricted?
There are objects which are carved and then lacquered, and there are others where the blank is covered with many coats of lacquer and then carved down.
    And a Ming sumptuary law does not have to mean that the Qing observed it. Many times, the laws were ignored when they were made, much less hundreds of years later.

    Giovanni is correct that quality of carving does not guarantee age; but on the other hand, at certain times the wages paid would necessitate 'cutting corners' re.quality of finish, etc.

   Best,
Happy Hanuka,
Joey
3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Large cinnabar lacquer bottle. on: December 13, 2017, 06:00:03 am
Dear Adrian,

      I still think it is 19th C. or possibly earlier, but have just seen a photo of a piece of similar quality which is dated to the early Chinese Republic (ca.1911-1925), because it was in the ownership of the same family at least since 1925, Shanghai Chinese who emigrated to Hawaii in that year.  I asked my friends if they would let me publish the photos on the Forum, but was refused.

     But I find it hard to believe that the bottle has only 50 or less coats of Cinnabar Lacquer; unless it is carved wood which was then lacquered. 50 coats is possibly 1-2 mm thick.
Best,
Joey
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Large cinnabar lacquer bottle. on: December 12, 2017, 12:51:08 pm
Dear Adrian,
 
     The quality of the bottle's carving tells me that this is at least ca. 1800-1850, if not earlier. The tube confuses me. Possibly Tom is right, or possibly the tube is a late addition. Is that possible?

     But a superbly carved Cinnabar Lacquer. I'd seriously doubt it has less than 100 layers, and possibly double that.

   Thank you for posting it.
Happy Hanuka,
Joey
5  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: December 08, 2017, 07:11:52 am
Dear Adrian,

     I agree with you that it is sad to see such a wonderful example so badly damaged, and
with Tom that if anyone can help you with it, Vaughan should be able to.
  The Friday 'anti-fun' bottle. Cry
Best,
Joey
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: 2 plain bottles, are they too plain ? on: December 06, 2017, 04:46:50 pm
Dear Adrian,

     That's a personal call, I believe.
Best,
Joey
7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Is this really coral on: December 06, 2017, 04:45:15 pm
Hahaha...  Grin
Joey


Except the little red letters inside the rim of this specimen read "Genuine Coral"....   Cheesy
8  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: December 05, 2017, 02:17:28 pm
Dear Curt,

    Thank G-D, I have had the problems taken care of, which had forced me to cut short my HK stay and cancel my Bangkok, Singapore and London visits in Nov./Dec.2016.
However, I had my email hacked in late Mar.2017, and can't access the emails.
Could you please send me your email address via personal message?
Thanks. Regards to Karen and the boys,
Best,
Joey
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: 2 plain bottles, are they too plain ? on: December 05, 2017, 02:10:05 pm
Dear Adrian,

   Why are you querying the age of this bottle?
Absolutely no reason it can't have a raised foot-rim and be 18th C., much less 19th C.
Best,
Joey
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Is this really coral on: December 04, 2017, 01:40:54 pm
Or who broke their teeth on it, when they bit down instead of sucking on it (it is a hard candy stick about 20 mm. across and 200 mm long, white covered by red, with Brighton in red letters running through the candy 1-2 mm. from the lower edge.
Joey
11  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: IN MEMORIAM - Y.F. YANG 11.June.1921 - 10.Sept.2017 on: December 04, 2017, 01:32:27 pm
Dear Samson,
 
      He was an amazing person. I will publish the first article I wrote. Berthe felt it was 'too' personal, and that it featured me as much as Y.F. Re-reading it, I agree with her, but it still gives further stories about Y.F.'s kindness, etc.
Best,
Joey
12  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: December 04, 2017, 01:29:48 pm
Dear Tom,

     You may well be right, that the convention attendees are the primary focus of the 'powers that be'.
We used to get 200-250 a convention. The last one was 81, but that is because London is expensive, and the dollar and Euro are weak.
Usually we have been getting 100-130 to a convention lately.
But all's not lost - the Israel Shekel is quite strong...  Roll Eyes Grin
Best,
Joey
13  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: December 04, 2017, 01:26:36 pm
Dear Curt,

     The winter 2017 issue is not yet out. Presumably you will get it when it comes out.
Are you still a member? You are not in the 2016-2017 membership directory.
If yes, please let me know and I'll get after Lou again.
Best,
Joey
14  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: IN MEMORIAM - Y.F. YANG 11.June.1921 - 10.Sept.2017 on: December 02, 2017, 03:36:50 pm
My pleasure, Rube.
Best,
Joey
15  The Gathering / The Lounge / IN MEMORIAM - Y.F. YANG 11.June.1921 - 10.Sept.2017 on: December 02, 2017, 09:15:49 am
 

    Yung Fu Yang of blessed memory, known to most of us as Y.F., was born in Beijing on 11.June.1921, into a Hui Moslem family of dealers in Chinese art objects and curiosities. His family had a shop on Langfang 2nd Alley outside  Qianmen in Beijing,  a traditional area of artisans and craft shops.

     Y.F. escaped Japanese-occupied Beijing for Shanghai in 1940, at age 19. He stayed there, married and worked in antiques, till 1961. In that year, Y.F. braved shark-infested waters to get to freedom in the [then] British territory of Hong Kong. He opened a shop, Y.F. Yang & Co., in Chungking Mansions Shopping Arcade, and after a number of years, moved it to Ocean Terminal, Tsimshatsui, Kowloon.

      In late 1980, Y.F. moved to Honolulu, HI., where he lived till his death on 10.Sept.2017, at age 97 [Chinese are considered to be a year old at birth].

      Yung Fu Yang was the proud father of 3 sons and 3 daughters, and had at his death, six children,  nine grandchildren and three great grandchildren. His oldest son, Stanley, still runs the Hong Kong branch of the family business.  Y.F.'s son  Ernest, his wife and family, and daughter Lianne moved to Honolulu with Y.F.

     The first I knew of Y.F. Yang was from his ads in publications from the HK SB Society in 1971, after I joined their group.

      Y.F. was famous for his kindness and generosity throughout the snuff bottle collecting community. A few years ago, I met a man in Newport Wales, who, as a child in the late 1960s/early 1970s, would go with his late father to Y.F.'s Kowloon shop, and always came out with a little gift. Years later, he'd inherited his father's snuff bottles, and I was thrilled to purchase a few with a Y.F. Yang & Co. provenance from 1969-1972.


    I corresponded with Y.F. via the post till October 1978, when I was able to attend my first ICSBS convention, in Hong Kong that year. My first stop in Hong Kong after Sabbath (I'd arrived on Friday), was Y.F.'s shop in Ocean Terminal.

    That Sunday, 2 days before the start of the convention, I spent a few unforgettable hours with Y.F. With Y.F.'s assistance and advice, I was able to choose 7 or 8 snuff bottles from his then vast stock. 
 
    I have referred to Y.F. in my assorted catalogues since 1994 as 'Mor'i veRab'i', "My Master and Teacher", and I sincerely mean it.  He was a true friend and mentor to me, and I deeply appreciate it.  In the last few years, Y.F. even gave me the signal honour of allowing me to purchase snuff bottles from his personal collection.

     He will be deeply and sorely missed by all who knew him and loved him, because to know Yung Fu Yang was to love him, for his generosity of spirit, eagerness to share his knowledge, willingness to enable those who did not have 'deep pockets' [and for a number of years, I felt  that I  myself was in that category!] to afford treasures he was offering for sale, and genuine humility in his dealings with others.

    I would like to finish with an incident that happened at the function hosted by Y.F. and the late Patty Miller at the Honolulu Club, around the corner from the Honolulu Academy of Arts [The HAA is today called the Honolulu Museum of Art], during the 1981 Honolulu Convention.

    I was attending along with the late Agatha Aronson of blessed memory [and all the other convention attendees], and she was putting stuff on my plate, before I could make sure it wasn't pork or shellfish.
Agatha placed on my plate a few pieces of what I thought was batter coated fried chicken. I took a bite of one, and it was shrimp! I gave the rest to Agatha, and dropped the uneaten bit into the rubbish, but I swallowed what I'd bitten off, naturally. I ate all the foods that were not on my proscribed list, enjoyed the cameradie of being with all my friends, and had a great time.

     Before I left, I went to say goodbye and to thank Patty and Y.F.
Patty, as was her wont, gave me a hug and a kiss. Y.F. had a bottle of beer in his hand, which he was drinking. I said, in a fake shocked tone, "Mr. Yang, that's beer! You are a Moslem! Alcohol is forbidden!" .
     He instantly replied, "I saw you eat shrimp! You don't tell my Kadi and I won't tell your Rabbi!" We both laughed uproariously, and I took my leave.

May Yung Fu Yang's memory be for a blessing, and May his family and friends know no more sorrow.

Joseph Baruch Silver
16  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Booted by the ICSBS on: December 02, 2017, 09:12:25 am
Guys,

     I'm writing to report - No progress so far.
I will get after them again.  Hopefully now that the convention is over, they can deal with Curt's complaint and Pat's.
Pat, have you had any satisfaction since I last spoke to Lou Joseph and to Berthe?
Sorry I've not got any progress to report myself.
Best to all,
Joey
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Crystal Clear on: December 02, 2017, 04:00:16 am
Dear Adrian,

     Wonderful! I thought it was Jadeite, but felt I should ask. All the fake ones are 'domed' rather than flat on top.

      I would not put a spoon in a good IPSB for 2 reasons:
1. It could scratch the paint
2. It wrecks the fantasy of viewing a genuine landscape if there is a huge object [in relation to the picture], cutting through the view.
Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
18  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Yan Yutian ? on: December 01, 2017, 04:33:09 pm
Dear Adrian,

      Most of Yan Yutian's bottles come mainly in 2 size ranges - 57-67 mm and 76-96 mm.
I have one which, at 45 mm, is one of the smallest I know of; 11 in the 57-67 mm range; and one at 76 mm.

      The larger ones do not appeal to me. I had 5 at one stage, but gave 4 away.
The only reason I still have the 76 mm example, is because it is very well painted with a BAPO subject with 7 miniature pictures, though unsigned and undated.
       There are 3 vignettes on the front, 2 on the reverse, and one down each of the narrower sides. I write 'narrower', because the bottle's measurements are 76 mm tall, 55 mm wide and 30 mm deep. It is quite a big, hefty bottle... Shocked Grin

Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey

     
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Gem, Stone, Rock and Fossil / Re: Crystal Clear on: December 01, 2017, 04:12:47 pm
Dear Adrian,

     The reason it is not polished on the interior could be that it was made to be painted on the inside, or that it had been polished and had been roughened in order to be painted to order;
but for whatever reason, was NOT painted.

     The stopper looks like a really nice green & white Jadeite cabochon mounted in a metal bezel; is it?
     I ask because I once bought a bottle with a stopper which looked very similar (though it was domed, not flat, on top), and it turned out to be plastic with metal foil and a bit of paint inside!
And it was an old bottle, too. 
    Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
20  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: December 01, 2017, 04:03:30 pm
Dear Adrian,
 
      You could well be right.
Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
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