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1  Public Forum Categories and Boards / All Other Snuff Bottles and Containers / Re: Things Associated with Snuff Bottle on: July 16, 2018, 04:24:32 am
Dear Tom,

      I believe that is the snuff bottle decorated textile Adrian found a year or so ago, and tried to find the producer or stockist but had no joy.
I'm always amazed at the stuff he finds; like Steven and Giovanni, Adrian seems to be blessed with an eye for finding great stuff in unexpected places.
I could not believe Adrian's luck in finding a 4 bottle lot of Middle Period IPSBs which included, if I'm not mistaken, 4 genuine bottles by 2nd tier artists like Meng Zishou, Chen Zhongsan, etc.

Best,
Joey
2  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisonne Bottle/Jar on: July 12, 2018, 05:12:07 am
Dear Inn Bok,

     I have been thinking that I should explain the 80 year spread of dating.

     The two bottles both look very nice and could be ca.1880-1910, ie. Qing Dynasty.
But they could also be ca. 1910-1949, and thus Republic of China.
Finally, they could also have been made between 1950 and 1960.

    I just could not decide, so I gave the wide dating goalposts I did. I'd love to be able to
narrow it, in one direction or another.
Best,
Joey
3  Public Forum Categories and Boards / All Other Snuff Bottles and Containers / Re: Things Associated with Snuff Bottle on: July 12, 2018, 04:01:26 am
Dear Tom,

     Thank you. I thought the same thing. The dealer was very pleasant and personable when I visited his gallery, and I don't think he was malicious; just not smart enough to pack it correctly. Since it had not been opened by Israeli Customs, I can't even blame them. Roll Eyes Grin

Best,
Joey
4  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Cloisonne Bottles / Re: Cloisonne Bottle/Jar on: July 12, 2018, 03:58:16 am
Dear Inn Bok,

    Both bottles are very pleasing. Re.Dating: I would say ca. 1880-1960.
Best,
Joey
5  Public Forum Categories and Boards / All Other Snuff Bottles and Containers / Re: Things Associated with Snuff Bottle on: July 11, 2018, 11:09:57 am
Guys,

    I found a Japanese seller in Kyoto who does not know how to pack things well, and sent no gift or message.

   My last day in Japan in April, I went with my friend Ger looking for Japanese mens' cloth kimono belts, and found them. As well, we toured Nishiki Market, and also had a delicious sushi lunch in a tiny restaurant with 5-7 seats [!]. As well, in a gallery selling bronzes etc.,  I found a wonderful meditation rock on a wood stand. I bought it, and the dealer assured me it would be well packed and sent.

    It was sent, but was poorly packed and broken into 2 large pieces, 19-20 cm long each, and a few little bits. The bottom part still fits into the stand, and looks fine, although roughly half its original height. The upper part I am thinking of sending back, and requesting that the dealer have another stand made to fit it, and send back both rock and stand to me.

   Giovanni felt I should send it all back and demand a refund. He may be correct, but I still like both pieces, and they could work as 2 meditation rocks, if I can get a proper stand for the upper part.
Best,
Joey
6  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Zhou leyuan signed bottle on: June 30, 2018, 07:30:47 pm
Dear Steven,

     Did you ever find the examples you mentioned below?
I still don't know where to place this bottle.
Best,
Joey


Dear Giovanni and Rube,

Thanks for your inputs!! and Yes Giovanni, you are absolutely correct on the motif,:)

And Dear Rube, good guessing on Ma shaoxuan, and the calligraphy does have some similarity with Ma shaoxuan's or more specifically, the calligraphy is closer to Ma shaoxian's.

However the painting style is a little off Ma family's.

I will have some example shared later.

Best,

Steven   
7  Public Forum Categories and Boards / All Other Snuff Bottles and Containers / Re: Things Associated with Snuff Bottle on: June 27, 2018, 07:05:37 am
How interesting! Japanese Porcelain wares decorated with Chinese snuff bottles!
I'm amazed. Never heard of them before.
Well done,
Joey
8  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Metal bottle on: June 26, 2018, 08:06:09 am
Dear Inn Bok & Richard,

 Any chance we could see photos of the two bottles together?
Re. tarnishing.
If you get Silica gel, dry it out in an oven, and keep it with the cleaned bottle in a hermetically sealed plastic bag, it may stop more tarnishing.
Best,
Joey
9  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Bi Rongjiu bottle. on: June 26, 2018, 05:40:55 am
Dear Adrian,

     That's a beauty too!
For some reason, I'm thinking a Beijing artist, ca. 1890-1925.
When I return to Israel from 08.July, I will compare it to some of my landscape bottles from lesser-known artists
and let you know whose work it reminds me of.
You got three very good examples in one lot.
Respect. [a la Ali G! Roll Eyes]
Joey
10  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Metal bottle on: June 25, 2018, 10:09:05 am
Dear Inn Bok,

    Very nice example, and the fact that it is signed is wonderful.
Is Richard's identical to yours, but for the difference in subject? In other words, could they be two out of a set of 8?
And if so, were both sold in the same place?
Best,
Joey
11  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Bi Rongjiu bottle. on: June 25, 2018, 10:05:30 am
Dear Adrian,

    Wow! A Bi Rongjiu AND a Meng Zishou! What is the third one?
Compare your 'Country Inn' scene with my examples of the same subject by Bai Langchen [A-26] and Chen Zhongsan [A-27], in
"Worlds".
Best,
Joey
12  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Inside Painted Chinese Snuff Bottles / Early, Middle and Modern Period Bottles 内画鼻烟壶/早期,中期,现代 / Re: Bi Rongjiu bottle. on: June 23, 2018, 06:35:56 am
Dear Adrian,

    That looks like a very good Bi Rongjiu!
Congrats,
joey
13  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Glass Snuff Bottles / Re: Glass Enamel Bottle on: June 18, 2018, 07:01:16 pm
Dear Jo,

     A beautiful bottle from the collection of a beautiful, kind lady, and now in the collection of another lady with similar attributes.
I'm saddened to hear that Mary Ann Bresee passed away last year. I did not know. She was a very fine person, and the epitome of a Southern Belle. And she always reminded me of Blanche on Golden Girls...
Best to you and David, and congratulations on a fine bottle with great provenance.
Joey
14  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Organic, Metal, and Embellished Bottles / Re: Metal bottle on: June 17, 2018, 07:02:43 pm
Dear Jason,

     Yes, Thais do take snuff. Or at least, did; though from a story told by Pat or Tom from Bangkok, some still do. As well, there were a good number of metal SBs in Thailand.
Best,
Joey

Hi Rube,

Interesting bottle you have there, I agree 100% with what Joey posted. Plus my own observations as follows. Looking at the legs and feet of the mythical beast it looks Thai or possibly Indian. Do Thais take snuff? However there also appears to what could be a string of coins on the top left so I am at a bit of a loss regarding origin.  As for material, I was a metal worker for many years but the patina makes it imposable to say what is for certain, Brass or bronze. It looks cast which has be leaning towards bronze, but it could be brass, is It heavy or reasonably light for its size? Indeed the spoon looks copper but this could be due to being immersed in snuff for long periods of time. Try giving it a rub along the edge of the spoon. As for age It certainly isn't new. Sorry I haven't been  much help. Grin

Kind regards Jason.
15  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Beware with new fakes on: June 17, 2018, 06:58:14 pm
Dear Giovanni,

    Definitely modern. I agree.
Best,
Joey
16  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Galerie Zacke Auction. on: June 17, 2018, 04:24:19 pm
Guys,
    I thought I wrote somewhere else about my [bad] experience with Gallerie Zacke Auction in Vienna.

    I bought an antique IPSB by a minor artist [Bi Rongjiu or Bai Langchen] from them in summer of 1994.
It was about US$800, and I had the funds, plus the sum quoted for packing & shipping to Ireland, sent to them that day from my family's office in Toronto. After 4 weeks, I started to nudzh them, but never got my bottle; after a few weeks of BS, they acknowledged they'd received the funds from Toronto within 4 working days of the auction. They never explained why they'd not supplied the bottle I'd purchased. Then it took me almost 8 months to get my funds back.

    Good luck, Adrian...
Best,
Joey
17  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Cockerel marked B and W bottle. on: June 11, 2018, 06:22:17 pm
Dear Charll,

     Of course you are correct. Coincidences do happen.
Best,
Joey
18  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: June 11, 2018, 06:14:43 pm
Or 2017...
19  Public Forum Categories and Boards / Porcelain and Yixing Chinese Snuff Bottles 瓷器和宜兴鼻烟壶 / Re: Cockerel marked B and W bottle. on: June 10, 2018, 02:07:58 am
Dear Charll,

     That bottle looks almost identical to Adrian's purchase.
How could 2 almost identical ANTIQUE examples surface so closely?
Are these actually fakes?
Perturbed,
Joey
20  The Gathering / The Lounge / Re: Friday Fun Bottle on: June 09, 2018, 04:33:15 pm
Dear Adrian,

    Could the artist be Suo Zhenhai? 
Best,
Joey
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