Title: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Peter Bentley 彭达理 on May 27, 2014, 08:53:57 am Hi All
While researching for my lecture in Xian in October, I suddenly realised why the 5 Modern Schools are named as they are. They are simply the old / short Chinese names of the provinces in which the cities are where the artists live. (These short names are still used on car number plates) Thus Jing = Beijing Ji = Hebei ( Hengshui and Shijiazhuang) Lu = Shangdong ( Zibo) Yue = Guangdong ( Shantou) and of course.... Qin = Shaanxi (Xian) I guess this was always taken as such an obvious fact by any Chinese- speaking collector that they never thought to comment on it , but even having lived in China for 30 years and collected for nearly 10 years, this simple fact completely passed me by. Goes to show, one is never too old to learn new things ! See the attached word.doc Cheers Peter Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Wattana on May 28, 2014, 03:08:49 am I guess this was always taken as such an obvious fact by any Chinese- speaking collector that they never thought to comment on it...... Goes to show, one is never too old to learn new things ! Thanks for that Peter! So true. That is one reason why I, as a non Chinese-speaker, would never attempt to become a serious collector of IP bottles. It's rather like the handicap a dolphin might face in deciding to take up ornithology (swimming around with things going on way over my head). ;D Tom Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Peter Bentley 彭达理 on May 29, 2014, 01:19:34 am Hi Tom
;D But seriously, I hope that what I present at Xian for the ICSBS convention will persuade Western collectors that knowledge of Chinese is (almost) irrelevant when collecting VMIPBs The only important thing is an eye for beauty. The knowledge about the history of the 4 ( now 5) Schools is something I am really researching for the first time ever . I was vaguely aware of the fact that the Jing School is based in BeiJING and the Ji School in Hengshui was founded by WXS who was originally was trained in BJ. But I was completely unaware that the Lu School ( Shandong) owes its existence to a completely independent source, dating back to the Middle Period and a contemporary of Zhou Leyuan et al named Bi Rongjiu When I first started collecting about 10 years ago I never for once looked to see who painted the bottles I bought. It was only after a couple of years I discovered I had been buying bottles by the same artist ( Song Yiming) in various shops and even various cities ( BJ, SH ) totally independently - just based on the fact that I liked the style and class of the bottles. Will you be joining the 2014 Convention ? Cheers Peter Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Wattana on May 29, 2014, 02:38:50 am Hi Peter,
Coming from you, that is encouraging to hear. My dolphin friends will be relieved to know, too. :D I have promised myself that I will attend an ICSBS Convention one year, but unfortunately this year is not the one. I will be busy re-settling our daughter in the UK to start university this Autumn. And a devalued Thai Baht can only be stretched so far...! Tom Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Peter Bentley 彭达理 on May 29, 2014, 08:03:28 am Hi Tom
Ok, understood I will post you a copy of my presentation in the fulness of time ( the file is too big to email ) Cheers Peter Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Wattana on May 29, 2014, 09:05:39 pm While I'm sure they care about you greatly, why would your dolphin friends be so relieved? Will this somehow enable them to study ornithology after all? ;) Dear Joey, "Precisely, my dear Watson!", as Sherlock Holmes would have said. Peter presented the philosophical point of view that one can study, collect and appreciate objects at an aesthetic level, purely for their beauty, even if some higher level of understanding is beyond reach. This means that dolphins CAN appreciate birds flying in the sky, from their own perspective. :D Tom Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Wattana on May 29, 2014, 09:07:51 pm I will post you a copy of my presentation in the fullness of time ( the file is too big to email ) Many thanks Peter. I look forward to reading it. Tom Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司 on May 30, 2014, 04:48:16 am Dear Tom,
Thank you. Now I understand. Enlightenment beckons... ;D Shabbat Shalom, Joey Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Peter Bentley 彭达理 on May 30, 2014, 01:16:14 pm Hi All
My 2014 ICSBS Xian Presentation will be included as a 'bonus' extra to anyone who buys a copy of my latest Data Base , together with all the original scans of the Old Testament ( J. H. Leung's " A New Look of Inside Painted Snuff Bottles" ) and the New Testament = CIPMA I have so far spent about 100 hours on the presentation Power Point Slides ... and it is only half finished .... ! My Data Base = 4,000 hours of work : It's the mother lode .... and it keeps growing by the day Special price to long-time / sincere Forum members ( only) in 2014 : US$50 Next year (with huge up dates - going on for 20 GB ) : US$500 flat rate I'm not into making money out of all this : in fact just the opposite ! I want to promote my DB for the good of the Modern IP Artist Community But unless I set a realistic price on my DB ( latest edition .. and there will be huge updates every 6 months from now on due to new book scans) I have no way to "price" my life's work except to sell at a notional digital USB Memory stick copy Long-term Forum members will always have preference on pricing and any copies I " sell" are free and unprotected , which was my original mission : to bring the whole VMIPB world to your door step Cheers Peter Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Peter Bentley 彭达理 on June 01, 2014, 10:52:13 am Hi again All
1. Thanks to George for making this a "sticky" topic so it stays at the top of the list 2. In preparation for my 2014 ICSBS presentation I did a little research into my own Data Base, with some astounding results If you actually have a copy of my DB you will see that every artist REAL name (and in a very few cases a artist's pen names) have a code in { } brackets. {B} = Jing School* {J} = Ji School* {L} = Lu School {Y} = Yue School {Q} = Qin School *In very early versions of the DB I coded the Jing School as {J} and the Ji School as {H} for Hengshui If you have a copy of my DB, do a "search" routine ( it's the little magnifying glass logo in the top tool bar) You can type in anything e.g. XYZ (artist name) or {J} or {B} etc and the search routine will pull up all files with that in the file name Thus you can search for all the Ji, Jing, Lu Yue, Qin school artists respectively I have not yet coded the Ji School artists who have recently moved to live and work in Xian ( Song Yiming, Zhang Limin, and a half dozen others ) so not surprisingly the Qin School only gets one hit under the {Q} search = Zhang Tieshan Next comes the Yue school with 9 hits The Lu school scores 91 hits The Ji school scores an astounding 405 hits But the Jing school scores a mere 44 hits (of which several are the original Ye family from the end of the Middle Period) So what went wrong with the Jing School ? And what did WXS do so right to make the Ji School flourish so much ? I think I know the answer re the Jing School, but it's a dark secret, if true, and I will not post it even in the Private Section. I will only discuss by private email or private message in the Forum As for what WXS did right - that's no secret ! WXS inspired every generation of his pupils to excel and paint better that WXS himself could ever paint That's true Management Skill ! That's true Leadership !! It's also a management skill which I always used in my business life : I always employed staff who were better and more clever than me, and I taught them to excel . Cheers Peter Title: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: OIB on June 18, 2015, 04:15:53 am Dear all,
The Snuff Bottle Committee of the Chinese Arts and Crafts Association has endorsed the 5th School of Inside Painting. It is the Dian School ( Dian [ 滇 ] in Chinese is the abbreviated form for the Yunnan Province in Southwest China ). In fact, this School was endorsed in 2011 ( it was unfortunate that we somehow did not pick this up when he was preparing for the Xi'an Conference ). The School physically is located in the provincial capital of Kunming. The founder was the lady IP artist, Sun Hong Yan ( 孙鸿雁 ),who at 19 years old ( year 1994 )became a disciple of Shandong Master, Zhang Guang Qing and learnt the IP art for 5 years. Then in 1999 at age 24, she came down solo to Yunnan Province to start her Yunnan style of IP. As you know, Yunnan is a province of many minority tribes / communities. Her source of inspiration naturally comes from the 26 main tribes of this province. For your information, please. Inn Bok Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: Wattana on June 18, 2015, 05:35:33 am Dear Inn Bok,
Thank you for bringing this information to my attention. Tom Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司 on June 18, 2015, 07:33:50 am Dear Inn Bok,
Thank you for this very interesting tidbit. Best, Joey Dear all, The Snuff Bottle Committee of the Chinese Arts and Crafts Association has endorsed the 5th School of Inside Painting. It is the Dian School ( Dian [ 滇 ] in Chinese is the abbreviated form for the Yunnan Province in Southwest China ). In fact, this School was endorsed in 2011 ( it was unfortunate that we somehow did not pick this up when he was preparing for the Xi'an Conference ). The School physically is located in the provincial capital of Kunming. The founder was the lady IP artist, Sun Hong Yan ( 孙鸿雁 ),who at 17 years old ( year 1994 )became a disciple of Shandong Master, Zhang Guang Qing and learnt the IP art for 5 years. Then in 1999 at age 24, she came down solo to Yunnan Province to start her Yunnan style of IP. As you know, Yunnan is a province of many minority tribes / communities. Her source of inspiration naturally comes from the 26 main tribes of this province. For your information, please. Inn Bok Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: OIB on June 18, 2015, 08:54:35 am Joey,
I was alerted earlier about the numerical discrepancy by YT. I believe I missed out something in the course of translating from original Chinese text. I will check it out. How's everything with you ? Are you in Ireland or Israel ? Or US ? Regards, Inn Bok Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司 on June 18, 2015, 09:07:23 am Dear Inn Bok,
Good. My 'Asperger's buttons' get pushed by obvious discrepancies. ;) I'm fine, back in Ireland, and just getting over the stress of my 24 day trip. :P And busy planning my forthcoming trip after the High Holy Days, BACK to USA/Canada! ??? ::) Best, Joey Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: OIB on June 18, 2015, 09:12:45 am Joey,
Thanks for the update. Have a pleasant trip around 1/2 the world. Enjoy the good times with your friends this Summer ! Inn Bok Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: George on June 18, 2015, 10:10:54 am Thank you Inn Bok..
May I move this to the public forum ? Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: OIB on June 18, 2015, 09:12:30 pm Joey and all,
Please correct my error of dating re. Ms. Sun Hong Yan. According to the write-up I read, she was born in August 1975 in the city of Zibo (淄博 ), Shandong Province. So she was 24 in the year of 1999. George, No problem to open this topic to the public arena. Inn Bok Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司 on June 18, 2015, 09:20:01 pm Dear Inn Bok,
You can correct your initial post. Just change it to "at 19" from "at 17". Best, Joey Title: Re: The 5th School for Inside painting Post by: George on June 18, 2015, 09:24:54 pm Dear Inn Bok, You can correct your initial post. Just change it to "at 19" from "at 17". Best, Joey Got it for you Inn Bok.. Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Pat - 查尚杰 on June 18, 2015, 09:47:11 pm Great info. Thanks Inn Bok! Any idea on the pen name(s) she is using?
Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Peter Bentley 彭达理 on June 19, 2015, 05:17:32 am Hi All
Time to get back into the Forum.... apologies for my long absence ! Technically this should be the 6th School because the Qin School ( Xian / Zhang Tieshan) is the official 5th School, as outlined in my 2014 presentation to the ICSBS. Last year I stumbled across Ms Sun Hong Yan ( 孙鸿雁 ) because she is featured at the tail end of a very recent book of VMIPB "Master Artists" (published by CA Design : 2013 /2014?) which was obviously sponsored by Zhang Guangqing and the Lu School. I have this book but I have not yet scanned it and added to my DB ( Strangely - in the English version of her bio in the book she was referred to as a "he" ! I took a double take of the photo and asked CA Design if this attractive lady artist was really a "he" and was relieved to find it was a mis-print ) Ms Song has a very individualistic style . Rather like Liu Yizi . Personally, I am not too keen on it , but I feel it could grow on me. I have a scanned copy of her latest brochure (2014) which I can email at high-res to anyone who is interested In fact Ms Song joined the 2014 ICSBS Convention in HK as an artist-exhibitor and that's where I first met her in person (and thus got her latest brochure and name card) . She had several bottles on display - some of which were those illustrated in the Lu School book (or repeat versions thereof) . I tentatively asked about one landscape bottle which I was interested in and she said "20,000" I asked "Do you mean HK$20,000 or RMB 20,000 ?" She replied "US$20,000" ..... ! End of conversation!!! Cheers Peter PS: As far as I know Ms Sun has no pen name Title: Re: The origin of the names of the 5 Modern Schools of Inside Painting Post by: Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司 on June 19, 2015, 07:52:47 am Dear Inn Bok & George,
Thank you both. Shabbat Shalom, Joey |