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Falsely Signed Zhou Leyuan, attributed to Tang Tzi Chuan

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« on: April 21, 2016, 06:55:20 pm »

Although have already shared this privately, would like to share to keep the daily topics lively !

Falsely signed ZLY, and dated 1891, attributed to Tang Tzi Chuan.  The one side shows fisherman wearing a fibre rain cape. The front, shows kite flying boy riding water buffalo.

As Pat mentioned to me, and I agree, "the date means not much in the case of falsely signed bottles because it is easy to attribute to TTC.  Below is a good known example of Stevens for comparison. 

Thrilled to have this one in my collection !








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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2016, 07:53:40 pm »

Dear George,

A wonderful bottle.Smiley Sad to say that all my Tang Zichuang bottles are all in Pat's collections now. I don't own any of it. Angry I will definitely looking for another one to add into my collections .

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 08:04:53 pm »

Sad to say that all my Tang Zichuang bottles are all in Pat's collections now.

Your not alone !  I don't think Pat will mind me mentioning that after my sending him so many of my bottles, I actually asked to purchase them all back recently !  Pat really does have a lot of our nice ones!  Cheesy  But they are certainly in a nice collection ...  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 08:58:57 am »

Haha. Thanks guys, .. You should know by now I am a hoarder. I don't easily let go of my MPIPB items once in my hands, .. Although I am seriously considering letting go of my entire VMIPB collection piece by piece, ...

It is getting too much...
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2016, 05:33:05 am »

Want to share a couple more Tang Zichuan bottles..

One unsigned, and one falsely signed ZLY. Not sure if someone can make out the script within the circle on the side panel, and will probably have to wait for a better pic when it arrives to try and decipher the opposite panel.

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2016, 06:50:15 am »

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I own 16 Tang Zichuan bottles but I am struggling to see why this is attributed to him and why , and most importantly by whom? It is a nice bottle but it lacks the color scheme we are used to by him
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2016, 07:37:12 am »

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I own 16 Tang Zichuan bottles but I am struggling to see why this is attributed to him

If your talking about the first bottle, I think it is so very similar to an 1892 bottle.
http://snuffbottlejournal.blogspot.com/2014/03/tang-tzuchuan-inside-painted-chinese.html

If your talking about the second bottle, to me the cat reminds me so very much of his whimsical style.. 

Just me doing the attributing ..

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 06:56:01 am »

Here is another Zhou Leyuan painted by Tang Zichuan that I stumbled onto..

http://www.espace4.com/en/collections/glass-snuff-bottle-four-horses/



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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2016, 11:44:47 am »

Hi George,

Nice bottles! I can tell the first cat fish bottle you posted is definitely a unsigned Tang Zichuan bottle. The one you mentioned false signed ZLY bottle, I can't find the signature, the painting style is a little off Tang Zichuan's style, Maybe I am wrong, but it might has another candidate besides Tang Zichuan.

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2016, 12:02:58 pm »

The one you mentioned false signed ZLY bottle, I can't find the signature, the painting style is a little off Tang Zichuan's style, Maybe I am wrong, but it might has another candidate besides Tang Zichuan.


Could well be another candidate Steven.. I was sort of going by the auction house's suggestion within the listing that it could be by Tang Zichuan.  Plus it looked close to me for Tang. But you have a much better eye than do I, so you are likely correct  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2018, 02:39:59 pm »

Thought would bring this topic back up from the archives with what I am pretty sure is another example of a falsely signed Zhou Leyuan, that is actually painted by Tang Tzi Chuan ( Zichuan ).



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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2018, 10:05:17 pm »

Adding another Tang Zichuan painted bottle falsely signed Ma Shaoxuan.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24763/lot/172/?category=grid&length=36&page=5




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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2018, 12:04:47 am »

Dear George,

Thanks move the bottle to the post . Yes, it fit perfect for the thread.

When I look back the Zhou Leyuan signed bottle, I am with you that  It also attributed to Tang Zichuan.

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